Skip site navigation (1)Skip section navigation (2)
Date:      Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:08:59 -0500
From:      "Steve Friedrich" <SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com>
To:        "Michael Borowiec" <mikebo@Mcs.Net>
Cc:        "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Securing the FreeBSD console
Message-ID:  <199812091814.NAA02106@laker.net>

next in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:34:00 -0600 (CST), Michael Borowiec wrote:

>> Just my two cents...
>> I think it's funny your people are *horrified* by this situation, yet
>> they have implemented absolutely NO physical security at all.  This is
>> really quite absurd, because NO PC is secure if I have physical access.
>> 
>First of all, in larger companies, development engineers are rarely
>responsible for plant security - and the plant security people are not
>responsible for computer security. So it falls to the UNIX admin...
>It's still a problem, even though you think it's absurd.

Yes, it's a problem. It's a MANAGEMENT problem that management has
NOTdealt with. They SHOULD. Otherwise, any changes to xlock or the docs
is for naught!!

>Of course, physical access is everything. That's fundamental... However,
>xlock is SUPPOSED to provide a modicum of security. Otherwise it's just a
>screen saver, and then what's the point of it requiring a password?!

But, as has been pointed out, xlock is not FreeBSD specific, nor is
XFree86. The issues you raise, while mostly valid, do not fall under a
single vendor. There's no company making billions of dollars, employing
people to respond to your every need. You could, however, PAY someone
to plug all these holes and burn a CD...
Or, you could just plug 'em yourself, for FREE...

>My point is simply this: If xlock will not provide the security that
>reasonable people have come to expect, due to keyboard escapes in
>underlying systems, those HOLES should be documented. Not a lot to ask...

Well, if it's not a lot to ask, why don't you step forward and commit
some of your leisure time (or company time if they're willing) and
document these *holes*?  Some people create their own CDs as well. You
could plug these holes, burn a CD, and then offer the fruits of your
labor to the entire world for free!! 

I agree that these *holes* should be documented, though not in all caps
as you suggested. I don't think these *holes* should be plugged by
default, because most hobbyists have far less unix/hardware/computer
knowledge than those of us who use FreeBSD in a professional
environment.

I do think your people are overreacting. We get people on this list
occasionally complaining or demanding support as if this was a product
they paid a lot of money for. It's free, damn it. If you can get a
product for free, aren't you willing to *discover* any misfeatures and
solve them yourself ? Or turn to the list for support, like you have?  
You DID find the *holes*, and you did get answers pretty quick (a lot
faster than if you called Microsuk's 900 number).

I'm probably on your side, but I believe some of your people are
looking for excuses to pull the rug...
If computers WERE appliances, we wouldn't need System Admins. That day
may come, but I doubt it will be in MY lifetime.

My opinions are my own. I speak for no one else.


Unix systems measure "uptime" in years, Winblows measures it in minutes.



To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message



Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?199812091814.NAA02106>