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Date:      Fri, 25 Jan 2019 14:41:47 -0800
From:      Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Edward Napierala <trasz@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org>, rgrimes@freebsd.org, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r343440 - head/bin/sh
Message-ID:  <D7EEA6BA-EAA6-4A84-A7C4-904999B0E581@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAFLM3-oSafSxcWSJPEXQ8szLEq5N593fr=sEsup6A2%2BP_VXrgQ@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Jan 25, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Edward Napierala <trasz@freebsd.org> =
wrote:
>=20
> pt., 25 sty 2019 o 19:57 Rodney W. Grimes
> <freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net =
<mailto:freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net>> napisa=C5=82(a):
>>=20
>>> Author: trasz
>>> Date: Fri Jan 25 17:09:26 2019
>>> New Revision: 343440
>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/343440
>>>=20
>>> Log:
>>>  Comment out the default sh(1) aliases for root, introduced in =
r343416.
>>>  The rest of this stuff is still to be discussed, but I think at =
this
>>>  point we have the agreement that the aliases should go.
>>>=20
>>>  MFC after:  2 weeks
>>>  Sponsored by:       DARPA, AFRL
>>=20
>> Please just revert this and the prior commit out, and when
>> the path forward is clear commit it.  I would not want any of this
>> merged to 12/ or 11/ until the time that it is all settled.
>=20
> Oops, my bad - neither this nor the previous commit is supposed
> to be MFC-ed; the "2 weeks" above comes from my default Subversion
> config.
>=20
> Regarding the backoff - just a few hours ago you said you don't have
> any problem with this, except for aliases and the default ENV.  The
> aliases problem has been addressed, and you hadn't yet responded
> to my explanations regarding the ENV.  Another committer asked for
> backoff, because "sh is not an interactive shell", while in fact sh(1)
> is FreeBSD's default interactive shell except for root.  Finally, =
there's
> one person who asked for revert, but without giving any reasons
> whatsoever.
>=20
> So far nobody had proposed any scenario where this would break
> anything, or even affect existing users.  It seems like a typical =
bikeshed
> situation.

It is not clear to me after reading r343416 and D18872 what this change =
is trying to solve.

PS1 should have a reasonable default. If that default is not reasonable, =
then we should change the C code.

Maybe I see things differently, but I'd rather see PS1 default change so =
no profile/shrc change is necessary.

I prefer that sh, in its default configuration, not attempt to read =
$HOME/.shrc, for security reasons.

Further, it is documented that the contents of ENV may be ignored in =
privileged mode, negating these changes.

If you wanted your new shiny default PS1 to actually have an effect in =
all modes (including privileged mode, where you probably want it), you =
would have put it in /etc/profile and not in a file that is wholly =
ignored by some modes (e.g., privileged mode).

So the solution is not even the right one for the desired result.
--=20
Devin





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