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Date:      Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:42:31 -0400
From:      Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
To:        marino@freebsd.org
Cc:        svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, Pietro Cerutti <gahr@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r366841 - head/lang/tcl86/files
Message-ID:  <08AF6C39-2279-4DD9-B41C-80C4B0A6ACF3@adamw.org>
In-Reply-To: <540490A4.20409@marino.st>
References:  <201409010731.s817Vrxf062753@svn.freebsd.org> <20140901074609.GA32100@FreeBSD.org> <65B530D9-4740-4A60-A2F5-40335A520C4E@adamw.org> <54048A3B.4030001@marino.st> <F4702D96-B141-4798-B23E-DE0408117AD7@adamw.org> <540490A4.20409@marino.st>

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On 1 Sep, 2014, at 11:28, John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st> wrote:

> On 9/1/2014 17:14, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>> On 1 Sep, 2014, at 11:01, John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st>
>>> As I said, the issue has been solved, and the solution is good.
>>> Nobody dislikes the new changes internally*, but patch-naming has
>>> turned into a impasse.
>>=20
>> Can I please request a partial commit of it? Just the stuff that
>> makes makepatch only update files that were actually changed, and
>> commit headers without timestamps? Seriously, let the naming
>> convention piece go for now, it is blocking everything else.
>=20
>=20
> This is probably the strategy of those that claim they don't care =
about
> patch names yet block the change on patch names.  Once internal
> improvements are made the name changes proposal can effectively =
trashed.
> You've basically asked to resubmit the proposal without the name =
change
> because everyone knows part 2 would be blocked on the basis it's not a
> good enough reason by itself.

Or, taken the other way, you=92re using part 1 as leverage in part 2=92s =
bikeshed.

>>> * since today, antoine says he thinks -p option on diff is "ugly".
>>> it's a highly useful option so now we have yet another hurdle to
>>> jump.  If not for phabric we could have had this in ports weeks
>>> ago, but now are stuck in an impasse (which I suspect was the
>>> outcome desired by the people that wanted it reviewed in phabric
>>> tbh)
>>=20
>> antoine is a perfectionist, and that=92s exactly what portmgr needs =
to
>> be.
>=20
> This is NetBSD territory where 1 voice can silence 100.  more than 1
> person thinks it doesn't look ugly and it's useful too.  The words are
> carefully chosen because "looks ugly" is half the reason of the patch
> name change proposal, so if we crush "looks ugly" as an aesthetic
> trivial opinion, we become hypocrits.  check.

I too have PR=92s that died the day antoine said, =93I don=92t like it.=94=
 Yeah, I wish he=92d follow-up and help me make the patches better, and =
it=92s depressing to get a rejection with no offer to help make it =
better, but controlling what goes into Mk is the core of his =
responsibility.

# Adam


--=20
Adam Weinberger
adamw@adamw.org
http://www.adamw.org




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