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Date:      Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:53:08 -0700
From:      The Clark Family <Clark@open.org>
To:        mavery@mail.otherwhen.com, jsd@gamespot.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HP T4000s Tape Drive problems
Message-ID:  <199907082224.PAA27606@opengovt.open.org>
In-Reply-To: <199907082142.QAA16185@hostigos.otherwhen.com>
References:  <199907082054.NAA03455@hudsucker.gamespot.com> <199907080218.VAA14937@hostigos.otherwhen.com>

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Mike,
	The HP stuff is 4mil isn't it? If so, DAT is 8mil right? So HP isn't DAT
its 4mil.

	My theory is, if your servers can't keep up a stream of data sufficient to
keep a DLT7000 streaming, then you need to rethink how you build servers.

	If you go with multiple 4000s, get three so you can stripe across them.
(grin)

	[RC]

At 04:39 PM 7/8/99 -0500, Mike Avery wrote:
>On 8 Jul 99, at 13:54, Jon Drukman wrote:
>
>> >I've resolved backup problems in several shops by just ditching the
>> >Travan drives.  These weren't the cheapos, they were the "professional"
>> >NS-8 and NS-20 series drives.
> 
>> Based on what you and a few others have said about general Travan
>> crappiness, I will follow your advice and put this thing back in
>> the cupboard from whence it came, and instead play around with
>> this Exabyte 8500 I found.
> 
>> On a somewhat related note, does anybody have any strong preferences
>> between DAT/DLT/Exabyte?  I'm interested in all experiences, good or
>> bad... Let me know.
> 
>I have an ExaByte 8505XL, and I'm very happy with it, overall.  It's 
>fairly quick, good capacity, and I can usually use commercial (video) 
>8mm tapes in it and save money.  It's big drawback is that it's seek 
>time is a LOT longer than that of a DAT or DLT.  I don't know that 
>I'd buy another one if this one died, but I am happy with it, and I do 
>trust it.
>
>I've used more than a few DAT drives.  I like Archive and Seagate a 
>lot.  I can live with HP.  The HP's seem to flake out and need to be 
>overhauled.  Things might have gotten better since I stopped using 
>them... I wouldn't know about that.  I've had good luck with, and 
>heard good reports on, the Seagate 12/24 gig DAT drive.... the 
>Scorpion I think.
>
>As to DLT drives, I've used 'em, but not often.  A bit rich for my 
>blood.  Those who use 'em seem to love 'em.  Very fast.  However, 
>be aware that there are only two drive manufacturers now.  
>Quantum and Tandberg.  If it doesn't say Tandberg, it's a 
>Quantum.  (As far as I know, Tandberg isn't OEM'ing yet.)  
>Quantum's are good drives, so the point isn't "avoid quantum", it's 
>"don't pay more than you have to, they're all the same damn drive".
>
>Another consideration.... the 4000 series is rated at about 1.5mbps.  
>The 7000 at about 5... if memory serves.  Many servers (your 
>hardware, backup software, server load, and OS will cause the 
>mileage to vary) can't deliver a byte stream fast enough to keep a 
>7000 series drive in streaming mode, so it goes into start-stop mode. 
> This destroys the throughput.... slower than a 4000 series drive in 
>practice.  So, unless you are VERY sure you have the bandwidth (and 
>more than one person has been surprised here), stay with a 4000 
>series drive.  Or two 4000 series drives for more capacity.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Mike
>
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