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Date:      Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:42:45 +1000
From:      Da Rock <freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Questions about dump/restore to/from DVD media
Message-ID:  <509751D5.7060902@herveybayaustralia.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <20121105051447.6eef32ef.freebsd@edvax.de>
References:  <20121105035233.e3c4ae8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <22095.1352087364@tristatelogic.com> <20121105051447.6eef32ef.freebsd@edvax.de>

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On 11/05/12 14:14, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:49:24 -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>> In message <20121105035233.e3c4ae8a.freebsd@edvax.de>, 
>> Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
>>
>>>> But as I said (above) to make this really work right, dump & restore really
>>>> need to have -z options, and do the zipping/unzipping internally.  Only
>>>> if this were available could dump properly deal with end-of-media on any
>>>> given output volume, I think.
>>> The problem is that delegating compression to a "sub-task" would
>>> imply that dump cannot precisely adjust its output to match the
>>> media size (as the limit is now defined by how good the compression
>>> works).
>> Correct.  We have both just said the exact same thing in different ways.
>>
>> In order to have _compression_ of the dump data _and_ still be able to
>> divide the (post-compression) data into nice proper 2KB chunks (as required
>> for DVD+/-R writing) the compression step itself would need to be integrated
>> into the dump program itself (and then, for symmetry, if for no other
>> reason, into restore as well).
> Chunk size _and_ media size matter (as dump would have to "know"
> when the media is expected to be "nearly-full" _with_ compression)
> because the operator will be required to deal with multi-volume
> media ("next DVD").
>
>
>
>>>> (I hate to say it, because in general I loath & despise Windows, but even
>>>> Windows has a built-in facility for making a single backup of an _entire_
>>>> system, and in a single step, *and*, I presume in a space-efficient manner.)
>>> That would be a task for dd. :-)
>> Sorry?  I am not following you.
>>
>> How could dd ever substitute for the intelligence of dump(8), and specifically
>> how could it avoid copying of blocks that are ``in'' the filesystem but which
>> are not currently _allocated_ by the filesystem?
> It cannot. :-)
>
> With dd, you could copy a disk including all aspects of the
> present slices and partitions (including file attributes and
> partitioning data, even boot elements), but it would maybe
> require a subsequent "read and compare" step to make sure
> that everything went well.
>
>
>
>> (I am also not persuaded the dd could handle multiple partitions any better
>> that dump(8) currently does... which is to say not at all, really.)
> It can - depending on what device you're reading from.
>
> Examples:
>
> 	dd if=/dev/ad0s1a	-> the root partition
> 	dd if=/dev/ad0s1	-> the 1st slice
> 	dd if=/dev/ad0		-> the whole disk
>
> However, dd is very much "bare metal" and cannot handle multiple
> volumes and compression natively. It would be neccessary to have
> all those functionalities scripted additionally.
For reference, if one did backup the whole slice/disk using dd and then
compressed the data, would that effectively compress all those
'unallocated' nodes?



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