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Date:      Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:10:22 +0100
From:      ian j hart <ianjhart@ntlworld.com>
To:        Randall Hopper <aa8vb@nc.rr.com>
Cc:        stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: UDMA ICRC error reading fsb (?)
Message-ID:  <3B9ACF8E.2536E4A9@ntlworld.com>
References:  <20010906204356.A4116@nc.rr.com> <auto-000028388966@dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net> <20010907180403.A1472@nc.rr.com> <auto-000027449537@dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net> <3B994E08.FF3BE9C4@ntlworld.com> <20010908202004.A1101@nc.rr.com>

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Randall Hopper wrote:
> 
> ian j hart:
>  |Randall Hopper:
>  |>      What do these messages mean?  Are CRCs done by the IDE
>  |> controller on DMA transfers and they're coming up wrong?
>  |>
>  |> ad0s2a: UDMA ICRC error writing fsbn 3283483 of 396704-396713
>  |> (ad0s2 bn 3283483; cn 204 tn 98 sn 49) retrying
>  |
>  |There have been plenty of posts on this subject, both on stable and
>  |hardware. IIRC none of them were bad disks.
>  |
>  |Randall,
>  |1) post a copy of dmesg so we can see what hardware you have.
>  |2) measure the cable - M/B to drive.
> 
> Just replaced the 18" ATA66 cable with a new 20" ATA66 cable.  No CRC
> errors yet but I'll keep an eye out for more, and do a mfgr drive-test run
> just to be safe.

I hope you mean ATA100 cable.

> 
> I've attached a dmesg.  This is an ASUS A7M266 MB with two UltraDMA 100
> hard disks on the primary controller: a Maxtor DiamondMax 60 60GB master,
> and an IBM Desktar 60GXP 60GB slave.  The Maxtor is the new one, and the
> one that had the CRC errors.

In which case you probably don't have the problem I'm describing. Does
anyone know the cable length spec for UDMA33/66/ATA100?

> 
> On a related note, I'd read that if you have two IDE hard disks on an ATA66
> cable, the master always goes in the middle (and if only one, it goes at
> the end).  However, this Intracom ATA66 cable has the end connector
> unconditionally labeled Master(0) and the middle connector labeled
> Slave(1).  Are these guys confused, ...or am I?

Maxtor say:

Blue - M/B
|
|
|
Grey - Slave
|
Black - Master

ASAIK the drive jumpers still determine the drive ID. Maybe the
standard supports cable select? Anyone know?

You do need the blue connector on the M/B though, screws the UDMA
cable detection otherwise. Note that the master has the longest cable
run!

> 
> Randall
> 
> --
> Randall Hopper
> aa8vb@nc.rr.com

-- 
ian j hart

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