Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:58:10 +0100 From: "Salvatore Albanese" <salvatore@oems.ch> To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 304, Issue 2 Message-ID: <E2D1B9C0E8854BAB9BACD206C70C8734@OEMSPC01> References: <20091223120018.4E42610656C4@hub.freebsd.org>
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Greetings all after I googled a few online videos on how to freebsd and came up with many ways how to make an installation http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=How+to+install+FreeBSD&hl=it&emb=0&aq=f# apart from that, their many advocates who would help you with getting up to speed with FreeBSD, I have IT Professionals all the time come to my lab for an install party, and give them a test machine if they are resource starved. I want to help other discover the secrets of Free Open Source Software, and that is why I advocate FreeBSD. Please refere to the way *nix kind of people always make fun of how hard this software is but compared to other OS's I have to say the invested time in figuring out how something works is always worth the effort! make it hard for them and if they can get past the installation they are smart enough to use it aren't we snobs enough? (not I, get close to people ans show them it is easy but they must learn something) oh well if in dought I refere to the man pages and other documents available, and FreeBSD has lots of doc's! so there we have a lot of love for FreeBSD because love needs: caring, exploring, learning about ourselves as well as the OS. I have a lot of Love for freeBSD, and security is my friend! Peace and Love to All Salvatore > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:58:33 +0100 > From: Karel Miklav <karel@lovetemple.net> > Subject: Re: why BSDs got no love > Cc: "FreeBSD, Advocacy" <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> > Message-ID: <4B314F19.6080802@lovetemple.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Jan Husar wrote: >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1123&tag=nl.e011 > > Why a box is not an apple and how would we make a box look like an > apple? That is a question! Because if we could turn all the boxes into > apples, oh boy, how many apples would we have! Where all those apples > would be stored in the world without boxes nobody knows, but let's just > concentrate on doing one step at the time. > > Seriously, power consumers get enough confirmation from the salespeople > and popular media, they should not be covered here. Or is there a need > for positioning work regarding our project? > > -- > > Regards, > Karel Miklav > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:24:10 -0800 > From: Charlie Kester <corky1951@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: why BSDs got no love > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20091223032410.GA25393@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > On Tue 15 Dec 2009 at 07:33:49 PST Jan Husar wrote: >>http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1123&tag=nl.e011 > > Others have pointed out that PC-BSD meets the need expressed in this > article. > > As for FreeBSD itself, the question must be asked: do we WANT to get > more love from people who judge an OS by whether or not it has a > graphical installer? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:55:54 -0800 > From: Shane Calimlim <shanecalimlim@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: why BSDs got no love > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > <16cc50f20912222355t4f5b7ba1kb593774e81c92b9e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > +1 to a better installer, graphical or not. > > I can practically install FreeBSD blindfolded on the current one, but only > because I've done it so many times. The first few attempts were extremely > frustrating; the menu flow in the current installer makes little sense -- > especially if something goes wrong. Please keep that in mind, everyone on > this list knows the installer like the back of their hand, but do you > remember the first time(s) you used it? Know a fairly seasoned linux user > that has never used FreeBSD? Sit them down at a machine and watch them > try > to install it. > > First impressions are important! I won't go into the gui vs non-gui > installer debate, but making the install process as slick as possible is > definitely a good thing. > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Charlie Kester > <corky1951@comcast.net>wrote: > >> On Tue 15 Dec 2009 at 07:33:49 PST Jan Husar wrote: >> >>> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1123&tag=nl.e011 >>> >> >> Others have pointed out that PC-BSD meets the need expressed in this >> article. >> >> As for FreeBSD itself, the question must be asked: do we WANT to get >> more love from people who judge an OS by whether or not it has a >> graphical installer? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:17 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Subject: Re: why BSDs got no love > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4B31D6F9.6040608@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Charlie Kester wrote: >> On Tue 15 Dec 2009 at 07:33:49 PST Jan Husar wrote: >>> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1123&tag=nl.e011 >> >> Others have pointed out that PC-BSD meets the need expressed in this >> article. >> >> As for FreeBSD itself, the question must be asked: do we WANT to get >> more love from people who judge an OS by whether or not it has a >> graphical installer? > > Heh. It's almost worth implementing a graphical installer just to shut > up the constant moaning. While I agree that it is a very basic error to > judge by form and appearance rather than by substance, unfortunately much > of the rest of the world appears not to agree. > > As a project, by not having this sort of layer of gloss on what is likely > to be the very first thing a new user sees we run the risk of putting off > complete neophytes who have no other basis on which to judge the OS, and > who could otherwise develop into the next generation of capable users. > > At the risk of being challenged to produce code (Which, alas, I don't have > sufficient skill to do. Or sufficient time.) I'd design an installer as > a > CLI program that reads in a fairly simple fixed script or language to do > the > installation work, and have separate Curses and/or X based programs to > allow > users to create the installation script interactively. I think that would > fulfil just about everybodies' requirements, from the people that want a > *shiny* graphical interface to people wanting to do automatic unattended > installs over serial lines. > > Of course, this sort of project has been attempted before, and been a > complete failure. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > Kent, CT11 9PW > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 259 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20091223/888f2946/signature-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:32:26 -0700 > From: Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> > Subject: Re: why BSDs got no love (and why security gets no love) > To: "FreeBSD, Advocacy" <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> > Message-ID: <20091223103226.GC26235@guilt.hydra> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:33:49PM +0100, Jan Husar wrote: >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1123&tag=nl.e011 > > By the way . . . as another writer at TechRepublic, I've written another > article that responds substantially to what Jack Wallen said about the > various BSD Unix systems in his article, "Why the BSDs get no love". My > article has been submitted to the editor, and I believe it is slated to > be auto-published next week while most (if not all) of the TR staff is > off for the holidays under the title "Why security gets no love". > > While the actual core topic of the article is the deplorable lack of > proper attention to security matters in the IT world in general, it uses > Wallen's article as a springboard, and the beginning of it is largely a > direct response to the "Why the BSDs get no love" article. I thought I'd > bring it up here, since there has been some concern showed on this list > about the content of Wallen's article. > > I'd wait until my article gets published to mention it here, so I could > provide a direct URL to it at the time, but I might be electronically > incommunicado at the time (Christmas vacation and all), so I figured I'd > give anyone interested a heads-up that it's coming. > > I welcome any (hopefully constructive) feedback from the FreeBSD Advocacy > list's members and the larger FreeBSD community, of course. > > For the record, this email was composed on my ThinkPad running FreeBSD > 7.2. I mention FreeBSD from time to time in my security articles, and > have been particularly focusing on some matters related to basic > filesystem security this month in my TechRepublic articles. While I will > probably have to lay off the FreeBSD stuff for a little while to keep the > editors happy, I wouldn't mind suggestions from FreeBSD advocates for > what other FreeBSD-related topics might make for good security article > content in the future -- especially if they tie in strongly with more > "mainstream" security topics. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 196 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20091223/789022cc/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 304, Issue 2 > ************************************************ >
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