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Date:      Fri, 24 Aug 2018 16:23:42 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Matt Macy <mmacy@freebsd.org>
Cc:        aliovx@gmail.com, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>,  FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 4:20 PM Matthew Macy <mmacy@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali <aliovx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote:
> > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING:
> > >
> > > 20180821:
> > >         drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit
> > hardware,
> > >         or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install t=
he
> > >         graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All other users should be able to u=
se
> > >         one of the LinuxKPI-based ports: graphics/drm-stable-kmod,
> > >         graphics/drm-next-kmod, graphics/drm-devel-kmod.
> > > Note that this applies only to 12.
> >
> > I see that The removal of drm and drm2 has been reverted on svn. Could
> > you please kindly share the reasons behind the re-inclusion?
> >
>
>
> I can=E2=80=99t really give the blow by blow of internal project drama, b=
ut the
> gist of it is that =E2=80=9Cbest practices=E2=80=9D (which are not yet ac=
tually documented
> anywhere that I=E2=80=99ve seen) were not followed with regards to the de=
precation
> process. Warner and others believe that we can address the objectives of
> the drm removal (improving the user experience and communicating that
> drm/drm2 are _completely_ unsupported apart from continuing to compile)
> through less disruptive means.
>

Just so.

Our only continued frustration is that we were never given any guidance by
> RE or core on said =E2=80=9Cbest practices=E2=80=9D when the discussion w=
as taking place in
> May and then those groups behaved as if this were a surprise when the
> removal happened. I=E2=80=99m cautiously optimistic that this well expedi=
te
> improving communications on those matters.
>

All the problems that are exposed by this aren't technical. This one is
social, but no less important.

Warner



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