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Date:      Fri, 4 Oct 2019 16:06:24 -0500
From:      Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>
To:        Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>
Cc:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r353103 - head/sys/net
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On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:48 PM Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:12 PM John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/4/19 6:43 AM, Kyle Evans wrote:
> > > Author: kevans
> > > Date: Fri Oct  4 13:43:07 2019
> > > New Revision: 353103
> > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/353103
> > >
> > > Log:
> > >   tuntap(4): loosen up tunclose restrictions
> > >
> > >   Realistically, this cannot work. We don't allow the tun to be opened twice,
> > >   so it must be done via fd passing, fork, dup, some mechanism like these.
> > >   Applications demonstrably do not enforce strict ordering when they're
> > >   handing off tun devices, so the parent closing before the child will easily
> > >   leave the tun/tap device in a bad state where it can't be destroyed and a
> > >   confused user because they did nothing wrong.
> > >
> > >   Concede that we can't leave the tun/tap device in this kind of state because
> > >   of software not playing the TUNSIFPID game, but it is still good to find and
> > >   fix this kind of thing to keep ifconfig(8) up-to-date and help ensure good
> > >   discipline in tun handling.
> >
> > Why are you using d_close for last close anyway?  It's not really reliable compared
> > to using cdevpriv and a cdevpriv dtor.
> >
>
> This decision predates me by a long time, I'm afraid. =-)
>
> If you have time to elaborate on the comparable reliability point, I'd
> be interested in hearing it. A little bit of searching didn't seem to
> turn up much there, I'm afraid.
>
> I did otherwise spend a little bit of time diving into the path taken
> to get to d_close and the trade-offs between cdevpriv vs. what tuntap
> does now. I think I'm convinced either way that cdevpriv is a good way
> to go- it seems to have the advantage that with a little refactoring
> we could actually set the softc atomically on the device cdevpriv
> instead of cdev->si_drv1 and I can axe this rwatson@ comment about the
> non-atomic test and set.
>
> I don't see any downside here.

Well, maybe not on that middle paragraph, but I still see no downsides. =-)



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