Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:46:31 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@efn.org> To: Jamie Bowden <jamie@itribe.net> Cc: Aled Morris <aledm@routers.co.uk>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTN Emacs users; new Zile release Message-ID: <19970912114631.11048@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <199709121456.KAA17804@gatekeeper.itribe.net>; from Jamie Bowden on Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 11:04:26AM -0400 References: <Pine.BSF.3.91.970912090133.12835B-100000@uk.ns.eu.org> <199709121456.KAA17804@gatekeeper.itribe.net>
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Jamie Bowden scribbled this message on Sep 12: > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Aled Morris wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > Hmmm... I for one would not want it to be the standard editor. Vi is > > > > and always has been the standard editor for unix. I think it should > > > > > > I think you misunderstand. This doesn't replace vi and never did. > > > ee is a *different* editor, for a different audience, and the fact > > > that you symlink it to vi on your own box is completely and utterly > > > irrelevant to that fact. :) > > > > I wish EE's default was Emacs keybindings though - rather than "yet > > another" set of made-up keystrokes [aside: OK, flame me, they're standard > > from some popular package with which I am not familiar, right?] > > > > Many other apps use Emacs keybindings (X programs for example) so it is > > useful for newbies to at least get used to the "standard". > > > > In the style of this thread: "the first thing I do after installing > > FreeBSD for a newbie is > > echo 'emacs noexpand nomargins' >>/usr/share/misc/init.ee > > Does anyone here actually get the point that a newbie can't use emacs > anymore than they can use vi? I hate ee as much as the rest of you, but > it's small, and it tells the newbie which keys do what, which vi and emacs > don't do. I can't use emacs... I can't remeber if the exit and save is C-x C-c or C-c C-x... I could use vi better the first time I used it than I could emacs... personally my real objection is that it uses ESC to bring up the menu.. with the emulation package.. it waits a bit before (seems like a couple seconds) before it brings up the memu... I think simply remapping the menu key to something else would help... I almost always double hit the esc key because of the delay... hmm.. looking at ee, it lists ESC-Enter: exit ee... shouldn't that be changed to: ^[-Enter: exit ee to be consistant?? -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD
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