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Date:      Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:40:01 -0800 (PST)
From:      Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
To:        David Drum <david@mu.org>
Cc:        freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Redundancy...
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.10102202129500.8600-100000@misery.sdf.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010220153328.A76130@elvis.mu.org>

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, David Drum wrote:

> Quoth Jim Sander:
> 
> >    Some areas will prohibit you from storing liquid fuel on premisis.
> > Storing a couple 20lb H2 tanks (or CNG/LPG/propane if the cell can do a
> > clean conversion for you)  is much more acceptable (if no less dangerous
> > under proper conditions) than a having a big jug of diesel around.
> 
> I would like to second Jim's comment about the danger of compressed
> gas tanks.  Storing compressed, flammable gas cylinders indoors is
> equally dangerous/illegal to liquid fuels.  While hydrogen will disperse
> if not enclosed, other gases (propane) will pool at the point of lowest
> elevation, guaranteeing an eventual concentration sufficient to sustain
> combustion if ignited (boom).

  Jim seems to be saying quite the opposite of what you are saying.

  I certainly disagree with Jim:  there are no conditions under which
diesel is not safer than any compressed gas or liquified gas (natural gas,
propane, hydrogen).  Has the world forgotten the lesson of the Hindenberg
already?

  However, environmentally speaking, diesel may not be as good as some
kind of gas (propane or natural gas).  I know a local company is working
on converting large industrial diesel motors (16 cylinder) to hybrid fuel
that use a mixture of diesel and natural gas. Lots of cost and
enviromental savings.  This company is designing these things to be used
on generators into the 1 megawatt range.  Enough to power about a 1000
houses, or a LOT of FreeBSD servers.

  Now, back to something more on topic...

> Regards,
> 
> David Drum
> david@mu.org
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