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Date:      Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:09:27 -0500
From:      Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
To:        The Mad Scientist <madscientist@thegrid.net>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Tracing Spoofed Packets
Message-ID:  <4.1.19991116215418.03da5a60@granite.sentex.ca>
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991116182120.0094d280@mail.thegrid.net>

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At 09:47 PM 11/16/99 , The Mad Scientist wrote:
>I doubt it, but is there ANY way to trace spoofed packets coming in from
>the Internet?  I've been getting these packets showing up at my boarder
>router pretty regularly for the past few days now:

Not really... You would probably have to get on the phone with each of your
upstreams, and they in turn with their upstreams and so on and so on until
you found where the cruft was comming from.  How regular is it ?  It might
not be your case, but lately, I have seen SPAM coming from rouge sites that
have reserved addresses for MX records and such, or are pointing the
domains back to various core routers.  If a mailer on your system wants to
bounce back the message to them, and your upstream is actually routing
those reserved IPs, you might get IMCP messages about them other than host
unreachables... Or if its pointed to a router somewhere, and you have a lot
in your queue, you will see a whack of 3.3 ICMP unreachable messages...

>Nov 15 19:47:43 wormhole /kernel: icmp-response bandwidth limit 284/100
>ppsNov 15 19:57:06 wormhole /kernel: ipfw: 400 Deny ICMP:3.13 10.1.6.6
>10.0.1.2 in
>via ed0

Is this your ipfw rule blocking the incoming icmp packet ? or your ipfw
rule saying block said ip packets from 10.1.6.6.  If so, what is 10.1.6.6
sending you ?  try something like
ipfw add 398 count log ip from 10.0.0.0/12 to any
ipfw add 399 count log icmp from 10.0.0.0/12 to any
and then your
ipfw add 400 deny log ip from 10.0.0.0/12 ....

	---Mike
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