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Date:      Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:55:40 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Brian Feldman <green@unixhelp.org>, Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>
Cc:        Remy Nonnenmacher <remy@synx.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Volume managers (was: Separate boot partition?)
Message-ID:  <19990409115540.G2142@lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904081402490.41086-100000@janus.syracuse.net>; from Brian Feldman on Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 02:05:16PM -0400
References:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990408130350.4169j-100000@cygnus.rush.net> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904081402490.41086-100000@janus.syracuse.net>

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On Thursday,  8 April 1999 at 14:05:16 -0400, Brian Feldman wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Remy Nonnenmacher wrote:
>>> On  8 Apr, Greg Lehey wrote:
>>>> On Thursday,  8 April 1999 at  8:52:24 +0100, Dom Mitchell wrote:
>>>>> On 8 April 1999, Greg Lehey proclaimed:
>>>>>> I can't see why not, since it's possible now.  What we still need to
>>>>>> do is find a way to extend a file system, but that's a ufs issue
>>>>>> (which has a solution), not a volume manager issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about shrinking an fs?  Is that feasible?  Possible?
>>>>
>>>> According to Kirk McKusick, no.
>>>>
>>> too bad !!
>>>
>>> Really, merging the best of all worlds (AIX PV migration, fs 'live'
>>> extendability) *AND* fs shrinking would be a really impressive
>>> performance.
>>>
>>> Think about it : A set of SCA, hot-pluggable disks. Every fs movable,
>>> resizable (up/down), every disk content movable from/to every other
>>> one.... the perfect power-on once, run till-end-of-universe server.
>>
>> *nod* have you heard of RAID? :)
>
> I think he meant maybe adding more RAID volumes :) As per earlier in the
> thread, resizing is a ffs issue, not ufs. Resizing an FFS would definitely
> be hard but not _impossible_. What exactly did Kirk say?

From a review of a paper I presented last year:

> Future directions (pg 22): Extensible UFS: making UFS bigger
>        is trivial. Cutting it back is not.

I didn't follow up.

Greg
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