Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:56:45 +0200 From: Ivo Vachkov <ivo.vachkov@gmail.com> To: Jos Backus <jos@catnook.com> Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Importing djb's public domain daemontools? Message-ID: <CADrMwxfUQSCABcosWig7j0DShbJZkB9oQO4Rz_6-TyVb4UeEyg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAETOPp0=6bgVQBWPzQc5QWGLwWtKF-yJEhDfx0pHnbstRH9UOw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAETOPp2Wcww1_fPonru0c6XoX%2BAV_HWoGZKiEMvmY50a5%2ByxRQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F14E291.5090803@FreeBSD.org> <CAETOPp1z0TJecz8kjDvf7trEOS5eogrcqEtDveUYzN=J-SvDNQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F1502CD.90409@FreeBSD.org> <E4B18E7A-74A1-4388-AD79-05DD3E667DAE@bsdimp.com> <CAETOPp0=6bgVQBWPzQc5QWGLwWtKF-yJEhDfx0pHnbstRH9UOw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Jos Backus <jos@catnook.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > > On 01/16/2012 19:41, Jos Backus wrote: > > >> On Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM, "Doug Barton" <dougb@freebsd.org> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On 01/16/2012 12:53, Jos Backus wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Thoughts? > > >>> > > >>> This is already available in ports. > > >> > > >> I realize that. > > > > > > Good, then we're done. :) > > > > Not necessarily... > > > > >> If FreeBSD had a solid solution out of the box, all this pidfile > > hackery in > > >> the base system wouldn't be necessary. > > > > > > We don't do religious wars here. We especially don't do trollbait from > > > djb acolytes. The "pidfile hackery" that we currently have works just > > > fine in the vast majority of cases. The fact that it doesn't meet some > > > people's ideas of architectural purity is totally beside the point. > > > > This isn't a religious war. This is someone coming to us and saying that > > it might be a good idea to clean up the mess by importing a tiny bit of > > extra code into the base. Seems like how we've always done things :) > > > > >> I always thought FreeBSD was about > > >> good engineering. Perpetuating the pidfile mess in the base is not a > > sign > > >> of good engineering. > > > > > > FreeBSD is about giving people choices. Those who want to use > > > daemontools can do that. > > > > > > And lest people think that I'm just hating on daemontools, I'm not. I > > > use it for some things. But converting everything in the base to use it > > > is a non-starter, even if we wanted to import it, which I don't see any > > > need to do. > > > > I'm not convinced it is a non-starter. I'd fully support Jos if he > wanted > > to commit the code and had done the leg work to do it. I wouldn't > support > > just importing the daemontools and leaving it at that. If that's the > plan, > > then leaving it in ports is the best bet. > > > > Let's not dismiss this out of hand. > > > > Thanks, Warner. > > I'm perfectly willing to make an effort moving FreeBSD forward in this > area once we can achieve consensus on what moving forward means. I don't > care about the implementation so much as having the functionality available > out of the box. Porting launchd sounds like a good plan. > > Jos > > > Wouldn't it be more logical to first: 1) Define what a modern start/boot/service control system should do? 2) Define technological and architectural constraints? ... and only then jump to "port *this*" kind of discussions ... I know of at least one successful commercial project to port launchd on FreeBSD (6.x and 7.x), but still there are also others: initNG, eINIT, Upstart, Service Management Facility, etc. I don't want to start another flamewar here, i'm aware of license issues, dead code, commercial issues and so on, I just want to point out that there are other options and IMHO the focus should not be on what to port, but what to develop that suits our needs. > > Warner > > > > > -- > Jos Backus > jos at catnook.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Ivo Vachkov
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