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Date:      Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:29:37 +0200
From:      Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>
To:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, fpawlak@execpc.com, drifter@stratos.net
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Does it's true?
Message-ID:  <19980627182937.40983@follo.net>
In-Reply-To: <199806270857.CAA17321@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 02:57:26AM -0600
References:  <19980627034631.A944@stratos.net> <199806270857.CAA17321@softweyr.com>

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On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 02:57:26AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote:
> My hidden microphone recorded  (drifter@stratos.net) saying:
>>> Overall you are probably better for it.  In the US there are
>>> entirely too many guns walking around.  Some of these kids with
>>>                   ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>> 
>> 	Interesting choice of words, possibly indicative of perspective?
>> 	Personification of guns, or "guns walking around", is probably
>> a phrase uttered by a gun-control advocate, whereas "criminals walking
>> around with guns" is maybe more likely to be spoken of by an NRA advocate.
> 
> No, it's well known that guns walk around by themselves here in
> the USA.  Sometimes they have people attached to them, but the
> people are not responsible for any crimes committed, because the
> problem is the guns.  The people attached to the guns are just
> another class of victim.
> 
> Right, Frank?

No, "Wrong, Wes."

There are clear problems with having a large amount of handguns.
Handguns are more effective weapons than knives, thus you get more
dead people when criminals use guns instead of knives.  This happen
when you allow people to get weapons that are intended for use on
humans easily, and is worsened by a culture (e.g, the US culture)
where it is considered OK to murder people.  (If you, the reader, say
to yourself that you don't consider it OK, then you'd better be
actively opposing the use of death penalty - otherwise you've just
turned your logic off in what you say to yourself)

Eivind, who comes from the country in the world with the second
highest count of guns per person and with 1 killing per 100,000
citizens per year.

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