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Date:      Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices. 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910141656420.17468-100000@current1.whistle.com>
In-Reply-To: <447.939897820@critter.freebsd.dk>

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On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> 
> [I know it was Julian who threw this ball in the air, but I take
> the liberty of doing the final round: I have been the primus
> motor on this issue from the beginning and it is part of the
> dev_t cleanup project.]

[see my other response to Terry]
> 
> SUMMARY:

[...]


> Unless we have significant new information to the contrary, I will
> commence the bdev removal after November 1st 1999.

This is I think a bit "pushy" for such an important step.
How about: "We will ask for a declaration of the right thing to do
from Core, specifically, DG as Arbiter, (not as DG) on Novenber 1.
So all arguments either way should be completed by that time."

All sides involved should agree to let the matter rest after the decision
has been reached.


> 
> In order to try to trigger any such information, I will change
> the default value of the vfs.bdev_buffered sysctl to zero this
> weekend, this will make bdevs react like cdevs.

I would suggest instead turning off Matt's sysctl
which will make the bdevs completely fail.

(hmm oh yeah fsck / would fail.... hmmm)

Using your ioctl may act more to simply corrupt data than to make people
notice the change.

> 
> An ioctl(2) based mode-switch will only be implemented if a
> very good reason for doing so materializes.
> 
> Thanks for participating.
> 
> Poul-Henning
> 
> --
> Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
> phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
> FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far!
> 
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