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Date:      Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:43:09 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Jonathan Lemon <jlemon@flugsvamp.com>
To:        gurtov@cs.Helsinki.FI, net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: initial congestion window
Message-ID:  <200104181443.f3IEh9X09002@prism.flugsvamp.com>
In-Reply-To: <local.mail.freebsd-net/Pine.LNX.4.30.0104181348350.9048-100000@melkki.cs.Helsinki.FI>
References:  <local.mail.freebsd-net/200104180633.IAA41452@info.iet.unipi.it>

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Actually, you could argue that both should be changed to 
2-3 segments, see http://www.aciri.org/floyd/tcp_init_win.html
--
Jonathan

In article <local.mail.freebsd-net/Pine.LNX.4.30.0104181348350.9048-100000@melkki.cs.Helsinki.FI> you write:
>
>If there are no strong opinions supporting this feature, should we then
>ask the developers to set the default inital window to two segments when
>talking to local IPs? It would help to keep the image of FreeBSD as a
>'conformant system' with regard to TCP specs.
>
>rgds,
>Andrei
>
>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> yes, FreeBSD is blasting the full socket buffer onto the net
>> when the destination is "local".
>> I think it was introduced when the T/TCP changes were committed,
>> it kind-of makes sense with T/TCP, but other than that
>> it is a very bad idea to have it on by default.
>> For one, in many nets including a 100/10 switch, or slow receivers,
>> it tends to cause an immediate loss on the first window of data
>> because of the overload at the switch or the receiver.
>>
>> 	cheers
>> 	luigi
>>
>> >
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> >  At the last IETF meeting there were some debates around FreeBSD using a
>> > 16-KB initial congestion window in TCP when destination IP address is from
>> > the local subnet. Does anybody remember when it was introduced into the
>> > code and what kind of ideas were behind?
>> >
>> > Some reasons were given why it may not be a good idea:
>> >
>> > -the benefit of not having slow start on LANs is very small, i.e. some
>> > milliseconds
>> >
>> > -it is not a conformant TCP feature, i.e. not allowed by TCP Congestion
>> > Control (RFC2581) and is explicitly given in Known TCP Implementation
>> > Problems (RFC2525) "2.1 No initial slow start" and "2.3 Uninitialized
>> > CWND"
>> >
>> > -people may have the same subnet mask also over a slow PPP link. In this
>> > case the effect of the huge initial window is quite bad, see for example
>> >
>http://www.cs.Helsinki.FI/u/gurtov/papers/effect_of_delays_on_tcp_performance.pdf
>> >
>> > -in case of congestion on Ethernet, packets queues build up at the
>> > network interfaces in hosts and agressive TCP start-up behaviour can
>> > further increase congestion losses
>> >
>> > What are your thoughts on this?
>> >
>> > Andrei
>> >
>> > tcp_output.c:
>> >
>> > int ss_fltsz = 1;
>> > SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_tcp, OID_AUTO, slowstart_flightsize, CTLFLAG_RW,
>> >         &ss_fltsz, 1, "Slow start flight size");
>> >
>> > int ss_fltsz_local = TCP_MAXWIN;               /* something large */
>> > SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_tcp, OID_AUTO, local_slowstart_flightsize,
>> > CTLFLAG_RW,
>> >         &ss_fltsz_local, 1, "Slow start flight size for local networks");
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >                 if (
>> >                      in_localaddr(tp->t_inpcb->inp_faddr)
>> >                     )
>> >                         tp->snd_cwnd = tp->t_maxseg * ss_fltsz_local;
>> >                 else
>> >                         tp->snd_cwnd = tp->t_maxseg * ss_fltsz;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>
>Andrei
>
>
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