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Date:      Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:31:12 -0700
From:      Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net>
To:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Clueless users are bad for debian (was Let's CENSOR it!)
Message-ID:  <37038330.CBD75F1B@thuntek.net>
References:  <3702BF21.2B23AFB3@softweyr.com>

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Oh, boy, back to one of my FAVORITE subjects... ;-) Thanks, Wes!

I think it is possible to give both Clueless Luser and SuperSysAdmin
what they need. The problem is that 'novice' install is still too techy
and unexplained, not to mention un-undoable. We need one more option
there that explores the system and then sets it up properly. Not to the
X point, the decision tree should merge again after CONGTRATS! You now
have... Then, there should be another menu fork where Joe L. can choose
to build a desktop (with basic programs, Internet and VGA or SVGA X) or
a webserver or a firewall or a db server or a mailbox, or even several
of those... or choose what he wants to do.

We should be able to achieve this with just C in sysinstall and scripts
that snoop to config Apache and Postgres and things like that.

The key to success is to examine it from the non-UNIX-geek POV and
explain the tech in English. The Ports are a perfect example, only a
geek who knows the tradition can figure out the one-liners, and the
DESCRs are hardly better.

Then, we add a layer of FreeBSD-specific tricks like active root windows
and FBSD-specific xscreensavers and tricks like that. Not GNOME,
necessarily or KDE, but well-set-up fvwm1.24, maybe. Showcase what
FreeBSD can be without turning it into bloatware!

Finally, we add a "what do I do now" system -- both text and GUI -- that
they can page through that explains integration techniques and holds
hands while leading into the real docs.

I can't get too deep into this thread, I'm supposed to be encouraging
you guys to figure it out and do it, but I'll be glad to establish a
spot on the ./advo site for posting of white-papers-in-progress and
signup lists for coordination. 

-- 
Don Wilde                 "Bringing the Internet to everyone!"
Wilde Media
1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117  voice:      505-771-0709
Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124   e-mail:     dwilde1@thuntek.net


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