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Date:      Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:29:19 +0200
From:      Vallo Kallaste <kalts@estpak.ee>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>, Hiten Pandya <hiten@unixdaemons.com>, Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>, current@FreeBSD.ORG, darrenr@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: PFIL_HOOKS should be made default in 5.0
Message-ID:  <20021220212919.GA3543@tiiu.internal>
In-Reply-To: <3E0345B2.9E7D4C74@mindspring.com>
References:  <0a6201c2a6f9$42cfd720$52557f42@errno.com> <200212200127.MAA20942@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20021220032930.GA67469@unixdaemons.com> <0e5401c2a7e1$37149090$52557f42@errno.com> <0e9701c2a7e2$cbe1de20$52557f42@errno.com> <20021220105251.GA1296@tiiu.internal> <3E0345B2.9E7D4C74@mindspring.com>

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:30:42AM -0800, Terry Lambert
<tlambert2@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Vallo Kallaste wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 08:46:44PM -0800, Sam Leffler
> > <sam@errno.com> wrote:
> > > > #ifndef PFIL_HOOKS #error "You must specify PFIL_HOOKS when
> > > > using ipfilter" #endif
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately there's no way that I know to express this if
> > > > ipfilter is loaded as a module.
> > >
> > > Duh, there'll probably be unresolved symbols if you try to
> > > load ipl.ko w/o PFIL_HOOKS defined in the kernel.
> > 
> > Yes, and this "undefined symbols" message will make no sense
> > from user perspective.
> 
> 
> Then fix it.  The fix is trivial:
[description of possible fix snipped]

As I've stated several times and as you most certainly know I'm not
developer. What are you trying to accomplish by the phrase "then fix
it"? Put me down, eh?
I have encountered this problem several times and for the first time
the message about unresolved symbol(s) made no sense and forced me
to do time consuming searches over the 'Net to get a clue what's
going on. Will we want to get possible users using FreeBSD or will
we want argue about it to death? The users get bored and move on,
that's it.
-- 

Vallo Kallaste
kalts@estpak.ee

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