Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500 From: Bob Van Valzah <Bob@whitebarn.com> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>, steve@FreeBSD.org Cc: FreeBSD Gnats <freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>, Advocacy@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Message-ID: <37E29581.DAEEEF6A@WhiteBarn.Com> References: <19990917150738.AB62414D7D@hub.freebsd.org> <19990917194021.D45243@daemon.ninth-circle.org>
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Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development
projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system
clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.
In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail
to the advocacy folks.
I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just
tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)
I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the
hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere
in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to
imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as
say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in
vain.
I apologize.
But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions
1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable
problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track
it and close it?
2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the
search page hits lead there.)
4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into
the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to
close a "noise" message and get on with it?
Thanks for your consideration.
Bob
Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]
>
> * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
> >
> >>Number: 13790
> >>Category: advocacy
> >>Description:
> >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
> >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
> >
> >Keep up the good work!
>
> Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
> PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.
>
> If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
> are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
> that way.
>
> If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
> effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
> maintain.
>
> Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
> with me on this one.
>
> --
> Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl
> The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>;
> Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best
> Haste makes waste.
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Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development
projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system
clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.
<p>In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending
E-Mail to the advocacy folks.
<p>I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've
just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)
<p>I <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi?words=advocacy&max=25&source=www">searched</a>;
hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that
came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the
top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine
how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern,"
so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain.
<p>I apologize.
<p>But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions
<ol>
<li>
Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem
to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close
it?</li>
<li>
Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?</li>
<li>
What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search
page hits lead there.)</li>
<li>
I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the
PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close
a "noise" message and get on with it?</li>
</ol>
Thanks for your consideration.
<p> Bob
<p>Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>[intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives
]
<p>* Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
<br>>
<br>>>Number: 13790
<br>>>Category: advocacy
<br>>>Description:
<br>>Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
<br>>noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
<br>>
<br>>Keep up the good work!
<p>Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
<br>PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.
<p>If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
<br>are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
<br>that way.
<p>If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
<br>effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
<br>maintain.
<p>Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
<br>with me on this one.
<p>--
<br>Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai
asmodai(at)wxs.nl
<br>The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <<a href="http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai">http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai</a>>;
<br>Network/Security Specialist
BSD: Technical excellence at its best
<br>Haste makes waste.</blockquote>
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