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Date:      Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:51:51 -0400
From:      Technical Information <tech_info@threespace.com>
To:        FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: System Tuning/Sysadmins
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This is a fair enough statement, but I'm in agreement with Chris too.  If I 
configured my snazzy UNIX server and it works, what difference does it make 
how I got it there (text editing or GUI)?  I love the stability of UNIX but 
often find myself in a position of wanting to turn on the XYZ service on a 
particular system, but not having the time to (nor wanting to) research and 
find the one little line of some text file in /etc that I need to uncomment 
to make that happen.  I'm no sysadmin, but with a reasonable GUI tool at 
least I can still get some work done.

And there seems to be a sentiment among the Old Guard of UNIX that if you 
didn't edit it manually with ed or vi, it doesn't really count.  That 
probably only serves to limit the growth of GUI administration tools even 
more, as those with the skill to create them don't need them or advocate 
their use.

--Chip Morton



At 12:22 PM 6/17/2001, you wrote:
>Which is the real problem with the GUIify the world approach to system
>administration: the GUI hides the details about what's going on, so if
>that tool isn't available, the admin has no idea how to go about
>fixing things with the tools that may be available.
>
>         <mike
>--
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