Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:44:10 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: Bob Willcox <bob@immure.com>, chat list <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Mince: (Was: OFR (Was: How did the MSFT monopoly start?)) Message-ID: <20010808154410.M78395@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <15216.39229.89700.679362@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:43:25PM -0500 References: <20010806142544.A64348@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <15214.52633.581653.632317@guru.mired.org> <20010807145112.C39962@luke.immure.com> <15216.25797.153039.786261@guru.mired.org> <20010807183116.D53464@luke.immure.com> <15216.33324.9869.833842@guru.mired.org> <20010807191721.A62228@luke.immure.com> <15216.39229.89700.679362@guru.mired.org>
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On Tuesday, 7 August 2001 at 20:43:25 -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > Bob Willcox <bob@immure.com> types: >> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 07:05:00PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: >>> My CP/M-80 box from that era - 256K of ram and a pair of 320K drives - >>> did things the IBM mainframe I had access to couldn't do. Ditto for >>> the Unix and the VMS system I was using then. Mostly, it was that my >>> box was mine, so I could install all the tools I needed. The >>> institutional systems weren't mine, so while the tools they had were >>> better than I those I could afford, none of them had all the tools I >>> needed. Things haven't really changed in that respect, it's just that >>> my tools are now *much* better than they used to be. >> As I remember, the main thing that I missed on my original PC was a full >> screen editor. I was familiar with the various full screen editors on >> the mainframes (using 3270s) and it took some adjustment to get used to >> edlin (which I despised). Later, on the Microport AT system, I learned >> vi (which took some time to do). I have been using vi ever since. > > That's actually amusing. The IBM box was running MVS with TSO for > timesharing, and only had a few 3270 attached to it. I don't think I > ever used a fullscreen editor on it. On the other hand, I had a > commercial ersatz emacs - MINCE - for the CP/M-80 system. It came with > full source in C so I could customize it to my own tastes. Ah, yes. "MINCE Is Not Complete Emacs". That's how I got involved with Emacs. After getting a PC, I still ran MINCE in CP/M emulation (using a NEC V20 chip, which incorporated both 8088 and 8085 command sets). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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