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Date:      Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:18:29 +0000
From:      "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
To:        Ivan Voras <ivoras@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, freebsd-performance@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 7.1 BETA 2 vs Opensolaris vs Ubuntu performance
Message-ID:  <492D3E95.1000106@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730811251246nf39e825s95a25ae394948e06@mail.gmail.com>
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Ivan Voras wrote:
...

> 
> OTOH if the goal is to measure "operating system" performance, this
> must also include the compiler, libraries and all. (for example, what
> does Solaris default to nowadays? I think it ships with gcc but not as
> default). The hold on gcc 4.3 in FreeBSD is, after all, political
> (licencing).

This is very bad to read :-(
Many of my colleaugues are involved in HPC, very little of them 
(including myself) utilizing FreeBSD even due to the lack of fast 
compilers. Yes, we all can use the port, that is right, but for those 
not so familiar and deep inside the underlying OS, with newer, better 
hardware (CPUs with some interesting hardware features like SSE3/4) a 
on-track-following compiler like GCC 4.3 could make use of special 
features introduced in newer hardware and even due to better 
optimizations compile a faster OS. And the result, even in 3% or 5% 
performance gain is appreciated if model-runs taking days or weeks!


Regards,
Oliver
> 
> If FreeBSD base ever switches to LLVM+clang, this means libc will be
> compiled with a non-gcc compiler which will forever change the
> performance for simple "real world" benchmarks.
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