Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:42:18 -0800 From: Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE: What a monster! Message-ID: <20090128074218.GA480@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20090128031855.1d32d79c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090123191547.fd43d651.ejcerejo@optonline.net> <20090126150019.387d538b.freebsd@edvax.de> <92bcbda50901260702h503648b6gc5c17b1ae9f211e@mail.gmail.com> <200901270831.24856.jonathan%2Bfreebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <1233039375.1202.24.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20090127160434.74f04bef@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090127174717.S18021@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20090127181509.66221353@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090128031855.1d32d79c.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 03:18:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +0000, RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> wrote: > > IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a > > keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically. > > Well, I found this a problem, too, but very early recognized that > there are window managers that can actually combine keyboard AND > mouse control at a very user-friendly level. Such a window manager > is WindowMaker. > > It can even utilize the keys on the left of a Sun Type 6 keyboard > for window manager functions (front, back, roll up, hide, full- > screen etc.) which "the big DEs" can't. > > What I don't like personally about "the big DEs" is their way of > handling windows through the means of the mouse. You're forced > to click on tiny buttons, and if you enlarge the control buttons, > you end up with uselessly wasting screen space. In WindowMaker, > there are many operations that don't force me to first move the > mouse to a certain place and THEN do the operation I want. This > makes windowing operations, especially in operations context, > very fast and easily. > > So professional window managing isn't about minimalism only. There > are other window managers that can provide effects and "bells > and whistles" very efficiently, if you think you need them. > But, of course, they're not "mainstream". > BUT: do things i _use_ from kde and gnome work with other wm's? if memory serves, i had lots of troubles using kttsd with my favorite manager, ctwm. (i used ctwm for -years- before i finally upgraded to a powerful enough computer and switched.) i use simple cli stuff for most things, kde/gnome when i need it. and i'm sticking with kde3 until kde4 is 1) stable and complete, and 2), IFF it has something worth switching over for. that's my two cent's worth:) gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.23a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php
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