Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kurt Werle" <kwerle@pobox.com> To: chris-freebsd@randomcamel.net Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsddom and java's flaming hoops Message-ID: <50550.64.170.199.99.1066847695.squirrel@mail.shiftmanager.net> In-Reply-To: <20031022174555.GE18899@zot.electricrain.com> References: <16278.47714.351403.755887@emerger.yogotech.com><50255.64.170.199.99.1 066844186.squirrel@mail.shiftmanager.net> <20031022174555.GE18899@zot.electricrain.com>
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>> I wonder how they do it. > > with a lot of NDAs and possibly money changing hands? and not having the > JVM source available to users? all of which contradict the spirit, > purpose, and capabilities of FreeBSD? If I really want to, I can grab the Java sources. No matter who ships what, you always have to NDA to SUN if you want Java source. I just want the binaries. For that, I shouldn't need to jump hoops. (NOTE **SHOULD** not need to - this is the ideal) > if you want an OS producer that can and does act like a closed-source > for-profit corporation, there are at least two for you to choose > from. enjoy. Do you mean FreeBSD producers? Who and who? If I can buy a CD that would get me a solid FreeBSD system with Java included, I'll STFU. > meanwhile, the FreeBSD guys have gone god-knows-how-many rounds with Sun > to make all this happen, outside of the coding effort itself. not only > that, but they've produced tangible, useful results. And believe me, I appreciate the hell outta that! > I don't think we're > in any position to provide unconstructive criticism regarding features of > the situation that no one can really control. 2 points: 1. I am in a position to complain. I'm a user. It's what users do. It's up to suppliers to decide whether the users should get what they want (yeah, that's a somewhat rhetorical statement). 2. Clearly, someone can control the situation. It may take money, it may take favors, it may take asking. Kurt
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