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Date:      Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:46:00 +0100
From:      Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
To:        Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org, Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com>, mpd <mpd@jesters-court.net>
Subject:   Re: upgraded to 8, no mouse is broken
Message-ID:  <20091212184600.118587c9.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:24:29 -0600, Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> --On December 12, 2009 10:31:59 AM -0600 Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> 
> wrote:
> >
> > The FreeBSD OS, on the other hand, follows approach (a) and
> > aids the user with (b) - the defaults are intendedly and
> > wisely chosen, so they usually don't cause problems, because
> > they don't assume something stupid, like "The user will want
> > to have a web server included, and enabled by default." :-)
> >
> 
> Or the user can't possibly maintain the server without a GUI 
> interface......

Oh yes, I just forgot that it's common corporate guideline to
have the users maintain the server. :-)



> I have FreeBSD servers that have 30 ports installed.  My desktop has 714. 
> It should be up to me what runs on the box, not the manufacturer. 

But finally, that's what "average users" are expecting.

I completely agree with you. Maybe it's some work needed to
get exactly what you want, but finally, you GOT it, and
without the need to install things you do not use,
occupying disk space and needing your attention. This
situation - being up to date, especially in regards of
security - is very important on servers.



> I don't 
> need a ton of cruft to run a single application that does some sort of 
> task for me. 

For such a situation - and if you really want it - PC-BSD
is the right choice. Still it's FreeBSD "under the hood" that
lets you solve problems and correct non-working things by
yourself, instead of just claiming "that's not possible"
or "not supported".




-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...



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