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Date:      Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:48:25 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r277204 - head/sys/amd64/conf
Message-ID:  <A01F4A0B-E7F4-464B-91F4-ACB055A36435@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Vmon1upJhjuAY8U8y376cxcqDwaVEu%2BBeOTDX5pp4TDsD1A@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:
>=20
> On 16 January 2015 at 09:57, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:23 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42:07AM +0000, Warner Losh wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Author: imp
>>>> Date: Thu Jan 15 00:42:06 2015
>>>> New Revision: 277204
>>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/277204
>>>>=20
>>>> Log:
>>>> New MINIMAL kernel config. The goal with this configuration is to
>>>> only compile in those options in GENERIC that cannot be loaded as
>>>> modules. ufs is still included because many of its options aren't
>>>> present in the kernel module. There's some other exceptions =
documented
>>>=20
>>> Are you sure?
>>> I think defining UFS options in kernel connfig affect to module too.
>>> When I define this options in kernel config (w/o options FFS) I got
>>> ufs.ko with this SU, quota, acl etc.
>>=20
>> While one could set options in the kernel to affect the ufs.ko build,
>> there=E2=80=99s not a universal ufs.ko that can be loaded easily that =
switches
>> between the different types of options. You can create modules
>> that do this, but that=E2=80=99s a very very different problem than =
the one I
>> want to solve, namely you get the same[*] functionality having
>> device fred in the kernel config as kldloading fred.ko. So rather =
than
>> bite off that problem also, I=E2=80=99m opting for simplicity.
>>=20
>>>> +options     SOFTUPDATES             # Enable FFS soft updates =
support
>>>> +options     UFS_ACL                 # Support for access control =
lists
>>>> +options     UFS_DIRHASH             # Improve performance on big =
directories
>>>> +options     UFS_GJOURNAL            # Enable gjournal-based UFS =
journaling
>>>> +options     QUOTA                   # Enable disk quotas for UFS
>>>=20
>>>> +options     SYSVSHM                 # SYSV-style shared memory
>>>> +options     SYSVMSG                 # SYSV-style message queues
>>>> +options     SYSVSEM                 # SYSV-style semaphores
>>>> +device              agp                     # support several AGP =
chipsets
>>>> +device              random                  # Entropy device
>>>> +device              padlock_rng             # VIA Padlock RNG
>>>> +device              rdrand_rng              # Intel Bull Mountain =
RNG
>>>> +device              vlan                    # 802.1Q VLAN support
>>>> +device              tun                     # Packet tunnel.
>>>> +device              gif                     # IPv6 and IPv4 =
tunneling
>>>=20
>>> This is loadable too.
>>=20
>> True
>>=20
>>> And please include:
>>>=20
>>> NETMAP
>>> NFS_ROOT
>>=20
>> OK.
>>=20
>>> IEEE80211_DEBUG
>>> IEEE80211_AMPDU_AGE
>>> IEEE80211_SUPPORT_MESH
>>> AH_SUPPORT_AR5416
>>> AH_AR5416_INTERRUPT_MITIGATION
>>> ATH_ENABLE_11N
>>=20
>> These are already the default for the ath or wlan modules, if I=E2=80=99=
m reading things correctly.
>=20
> Nope.

It=E2=80=99s simple to add any of the last 3 to modules/ath, but I see =
your point.

> The other half of this problem is where some modules (did? do?)
> populate an opt_wlan.h with their own options. Some modules did this
> with the inet option.

You might thing that, but you=E2=80=99d be behind the times. The IEEE =
options
are centralized, as are the INET options.

> When I've done what you're doing, I end up having these options in my
> minimal config file so opt_xxx.h is correctly populated. That way when
> I point SYSDIR (or whichever variable it is) at the configured kernel
> directory with the opt_xxx.h files, it all works out correctly.

Yea, that=E2=80=99s a different issue.

> (I still think we shouldn't be relying on "defaults", but should ship
> the opt_xxx.h files or something to derive the opt_xxx.h and makefile
> config bits so things like external module building is possible
> against a kernel. Or, we just kill all module options that change
> behaviour/ABI of things in an incompatible way.)

Options aren=E2=80=99t supposed to change KBI. Some do, and that=E2=80=99s=
 unfortunate.

But don=E2=80=99t turn this into a rant on how sub-optimal the =
opt_XXXX.h
intersect with modules. That=E2=80=99s another set of problems to solve.

Warner

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