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Date:      Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:08:04 +0300
From:      Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
To:        Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>
Cc:        "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts
Message-ID:  <20200117140804.GA89045@zxy.spb.ru>
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:17:11PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote:

> >>>> Considering /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj and amount of RAM
> >>>> needed to keep metadata in ZFS ARC
> >>>
> >>> /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj don't need be exist on low-RAM
> >>> install -- use poudriere and release build on dedicated build host and
> >>> applay binary update.
> >>
> >> Poudriere itself has its disadvantages. It's heavy and it's unable to produce minimal set of target packages
> >> suitable for "pkg install -U *.txz" command without build-only dependencies.
> > 
> > Can you do it by /usr/ports way? No. And what you point?
> 
> I can and I do, with my own scripts.
> 
> >> I'd like to stick with poudriere but could not. Its supposed work-style does not worth it.
> >>
> >> Real Work (TM) sometimes presents the need to apply patches, so
> >> /usr/src and /usr/obj may become are unavoidable.
> > 
> > I am do w/ dedicated builhost, produce custom build of
> > base.txz/kernel.txz/kernel.CUSTOM.txz and applay binary updates w/ BE.
> > What you point?
> 
> The virtual guest is stand-alone including upgrades, does not depend on build host nor its existance.
> 
> >> 1GB-RAM UFS system runs just fine with such trees being stand-alone and does not require extra build system and nor its overhead.
> > 
> > clang very hard to compile in 1GB RAM.
> 
> It was fine before clang-[78]. Buy nowadays, yes, I'm forced to use multiple knobs for src.conf
> 
> WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_ALL=
> WITH_LLVM_TARGET_X86=
> WITHOUT_CLANG_FULL=
> 
> And using WITH_META_MODE not cleaning obj directory.
> 
> > Anyway, my 1GB ZFS system run just fine.
> 
> During life-time of stable/10 and early stable/11 (and not so-early)
> ZFS required hard tuning for 1GB i386 system to be stable because it's KVM-hog.

I am cleary understund you provide expirence from satble/10 to
current/13?
w/ different clang, kernel, etc?



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