Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:46:45 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell@sitetronics.com> To: adam@adamretter.eclipse.co.uk Cc: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Administrator LFW Message-ID: <20040804064645.GA36726@sitetronics.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01c479aa$78a5ceb0$f51010ac@funkalicious> References: <20040801173709.GA33102@parodius.com> <410DD3EE.4020300@pacbell.net> <20040802093250.GA57641@parodius.com> <20040802183709.GB2726@night.dbn> <410EB15C.8000204@pacbell.net> <20040803193025.GA11876@nvnsvch.org> <1091570517.823.8.camel@myrddin> <000d01c479aa$78a5ceb0$f51010ac@funkalicious>
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--pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable adam@adamretter.eclipse.co.uk <adam@adamretter.eclipse.co.uk> scribbled: > Just a thought - >=20 > As a user of computers, I try to gain as much knowledge as possible of all > aspects of computing. > For some time now I have been studying the FreeBSD operating system and > using it as much as possible, technically I find it to be a good system. >=20 > I have experimented with various versions of Windows / Mac OS and Linux/U= nix > amongst others over the years on several hardware platforms. After several > years of `playing` with FreeBSD, I have made an observation about FreeBSD > admin's or users or developers or whatever else you may want to call > yourselves, and that is this (Firstly, I realise this is a generalisation. > Secondly, yes I am generalising but that is what I must do to describe a > community easily. Thirdly, there are always exceptions to every rule of > course) - And as most generalizations turn out to bee, this is a rather poor one. > Out of all the virtual community's I have interacted with over the years, > FreeBSD admin's are the worst - You are unhelpful, Pedantic, Obsessive and > Obstructive, generally reminding me of a bunch of bitching secondary scho= ol > girls who believe they are the `in-group`. Whatever happened to helping e= ach > other and community spirit. You all seem so obsessed with FreeBSD and your > self prowess of such that if someone is unwilling to follow `your` standa= rds > or ideals then you push them aside. Now I have read a lot of articles say= ing > the Mac community has the worst Zealots, but I would suggest that its > actually FreeBSD. What are you guys so scared off, cant we have open > cooperative development without all this touchy feel-i-ness (unless its > constructive of course). (Please don't reply to tell me FreeBSD is an Open > project and cooperatively developed - I am aware of this), to what I refer > is all the politics and snide doings that are also in place. An Example -= I > have been kicked out of a FreeBSD chat room strangely named #freebsdhelp > which one would imagine you would visit for help - although I required he= lp > and asked sensible questions (I am not new to this!), I was kicked out for > using short hand. I never realised Internet Chat was so formal and I would > cite this as an example of small mindedness among FreeBSD admin's. You're quite off-base here. These sorts of things can best be sent off-list, especially when you're referring to those few who did make a big deal out of the post. IRC is a community of (mostly) childish idiots. It is stated on the FreeBSD webpage that there are _NO_ official IRC support channels for this very reason. Consider the volume of email on freebsd-chat and freebsd-questions -- and try to apply this statement again. I don't know what kind of admin you are, but posting this garbage on a FreeBSD mailing list makes you a troll (sorry to feed you) and a one of the worst admins of X operating system. Try to see the forest for the trees -- especially when you're one of them. > This is not meant as a bitch at a community of what are very technically = apt > individuals, more a call to awareness. > Has anyone else noticed this? Hope I haven't dropped a bomb! I have not noticed it. FWIW, a more intelligent and helpful community is on Freenode if you must use IRC. > Cheers Adam Retter. > > (If there are spelling and grammar mistakes I apologise, but I do not > consider this a formal address) >=20 Can we please move this thread to FreeBSD-Chat? I notice that it's not there yet because I'm only subscribed to jobs@. The FreeBSD postmaster kindly requested that this thread be moved, and I second that. I too, apologize for the off-topic email; I have cc'ed this to chat. If others wish to continue it, please delete FreeBSD-Jobs@FreeBSD.org when replying. --=20 Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell | dodell@sitetronics.com Key: 4D3D8CA7 | IRC: dho@freenode/dho@efnet --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBEIZV9y+/hU09jKcRAnsfAKCQfI0FdwEKhSXIUdPr3VyAw8oOSACggCIn 8bWTTV26CAnI7y1n0QZB28s= =EP6o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt--
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