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Date:      Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:17:36 -0600
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        David Carlier <david.carlier@hardenedbsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: PIE/PIC support on base
Message-ID:  <1413382656.12052.446.camel@revolution.hippie.lan>
In-Reply-To: <20141015061029.GO48641@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
References:  <CAMe1fxaYn%2BJaKzGXx%2Bywv8F0mKDo72g=W23KUWOKZzpm8wX4Tg@mail.gmail.com> <20141015061029.GO48641@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>

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On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 08:10 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:02:27PM +0100, David Carlier wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > HardenedBSD plans to add PIE support on base in various place.
> > 
> > These are B. Drewery suggestions :
> > 
> > The _pic ones are not needed. The main lib file just needs
> > INSTALL_PIC_ARCHIVE=yes.
> > 
> > Modifying CFLAGS in every Makefile is not right, just add a USE_PIE or
> > something to pull in common logic from share/mk.
> > 
> > Also I know that, at least for a start, it wished to be applied in some few
> > places, like tcpdump/traceroute, sendmail ... shells ... I thought about
> > also casper/capsicum ... ntp ... jail
> > 
> What would probably be interesting is to list binary by binary on which one you
> do want to add the USE_PIE, and with rational explaining why.
> 
> On some OS you often can see ssh(1) not being PIE while sshd(8) have PIE. I
> think cherry-picking what should be PIE is the right
> 
> regards,
> Bapt

As long as there's some sort of global knob that says "I want to opt out
of this completely regardless of finer-grained controls to the contrary
in other makefiles."

-- Ian





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