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Date:      Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:07:03 -0800 (PST)
From:      David Wolfskill <dhw@whistle.com>
To:        freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: root
Message-ID:  <199803231807.KAA10840@pau-amma.whistle.com>

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>Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:38:50 +1100
>From: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>

>So I wasn't convinced but eventually I did it the right way and didn't log
>in as root unless it was necessary. Now I'm pretty used to the idea and even
>like it, but I've always wondered, do other people find it so hard to get
>used to working with that restriction?

Not me....  (I'm "new" to FreeBSD, but have been using UNIX since '86,
and various multi-user systems before that -- was an MVS (IBM mainframe)
systems programmer for 12 years.  Have been playing with computers since
'69.)

Indeed; I've told at least one person at a previous place of employment
that if any non-technical folks had root access to the UNIX systems,
they could find someone else to maintain them, 'cause I wouldn't do it:
it's a matter of OS integrity -- if clueless folks go around breaking
things, I'm not going to walk around behind them trying to clean up
their messes for them.

Granted, I'm in a different sort of environment than a "home hacker" --
I am a (professional) systems administrator, working in an environment
where certain machines need to be reliably up & running all time (to the
extent possible).

If someone wants to trash his desktop, that's one thing -- I don't care
so much.  If that machine is actually being used as a server -- so that
someone else's work depends on it -- that's a very different issue, and
that "server" part of the workload is an excellent candidate to get
migrated to a (more) "protected" machine, probably in a locked server
room.

BTW: the whole notion that whoever is fondling the keyboard at the
moment has absolute control over the machine -- even to the point of not
really being able to make a distinction between "user" level vs.
"system" level processes -- is one of the reasons I heartily mistrust
anything from M$.  Techniques for better approaches were very well
known when they came out with MS-DOS -- UNIX was, after all, running in
the early 70s, and was multi-user from the beginning.

Cheers,
david
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David Wolfskill		dhw@whistle.com	(650) 577-7158	pager: (650) 401-0168

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