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Date:      Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:41:52 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
Cc:        Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Treading on toes (was: O'Reilly article: Whence the Source: Untangling the Open Source/Free Software Debate)
Message-ID:  <19990312124152.Y490@lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990311140839.00b25250@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 02:15:16PM -0700
References:  <Your <4.1.19990311093845.00989ee0@localhost> <4352.921186024@zippy.cdrom.com> <4.1.19990311140839.00b25250@localhost>

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On Thursday, 11 March 1999 at 14:15:16 -0700, Brett Glass wrote:
> At 01:00 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>
>> I think we're still looking for a marketing person who doesn't manage
>> to offend quite so many people, to absolutely frank about it.
>
> The only people I seem to have offended were those whose toes I've
> stepped on unknowingly 

Well, step on people's toes once, and a reasonable person will forgive
you.  Do it again, and they'll think you're clumsy.  But when they go
to a lot of trouble to explain the situation, and you don't listen and
carry on stepping on their toes, they tend to avoid you.

> or people who identify anyone with whom they do not agree as an
> enemy. I don't know if it's possible to avoid those kinds of slights
> and still be able to take a stand about anything at all!

That could be a valid statement, though of course it's got to be
subjective.  Many people take stands, but not many have caused as much
offense as you have.

> I didn't say that I wanted to be the spokesman -- just a coordinator
> and/or an active member/leader of one or more of the teams. I'd be glad
> to push toward the podium some spokesman other than me who seem to be
> able to turn away wrath more effectively.

I think that there are enough people who are saying "Brett, stop
talking and do something" to make this a necessity.  But remember that
word "team".  You'd have to accept the fact that the goals of the team
wouldn't be your own personal goals (for example, I think that
attacking the GPL right now would be a Bad Thing).

Greg
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