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Date:      Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:31:15 -0500 (EST)
From:      Kenneth Culver <culverk@alpha.yumyumyum.org>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
Cc:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, "Steve B." <steveb99@earthlink.net>, "Eugene L. Vorokov" <vel@bugz.infotecs.ru>, <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: C vs C++
Message-ID:  <20020305193028.H6706-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org>
In-Reply-To: <15493.24457.986109.726909@caddis.yogotech.com>

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> Not so.  Having done C professionally for umpteen years, C++ for a
> little less than umpteen years, and Java for 4, I can say w/out
> reservation that C++ sucks.  OOP programming doesn't *have* to be hard.
> C++ puts too many roadblocks in your way.
>
> It not just because Java is newer that it's displacing C++ as the
> primary development language.  It's because C++ as a language is *NOT*
> well-designed (design my commitee).  C is becoming more and more like
> C++ in this regard.  (And before Terry starts whining about strongly
> typed languages, let me state that IMO strongly typed languages are a
> good thing, since they allow you to verify your code at *COMPILE* time,
> vs. at runtime.)
>
> I can get more done in a shorter period of time with Java than with C++.
> However, when speed is of the issues, the computer get more done in a
> shorter amount of time with C than I can with either Java/C++.
>
> My Java programs can often-times run *faster* than my own C++ programs,
> simply because Java (the language) makes it easier to produce a good
> design.  I don't find the limitations to be limitations so much, and
> they tend to force me to do better design up front.  Both are OOP
> languages, but C++ *feels* like a non-OOP language with some hooks to
> make it more OOP like.  (I'd like to play with Smalltalk, but alas
> there's no market for it, and there's no time left in my day to work on
> what I need to get done, let alone for things like playing with ST.)
>
> C++ in it's simple form *can* be easier to maintain, but it rarely turns
> out that way.  As programmers, it's difficult to not succumb to the
> temptation to use the latest/greatest feature of the language, since at
> the time it certainly *seems* like it would help things out in the
> long-term. :)
>
> Finally, well-written/optimized C++ code is an abomination to look at,
> and requires sacrificing small animals at alters whenever you need to
> modify it. :)
>
>
>
I need to learn to say what I mean in a better manner. I've been trying to
say the last comment for this whole thread and just couldn't get it into
words. Thanks.

Ken


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