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Date:      Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:50:28 -0800 (PST)
From:      Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com>
To:        "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de>, Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg>
Cc:        Martin Sugioarto <martin@sugioarto.com>, "freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG>, Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk>, "freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG>, "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG" <Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server
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Hi,=0A=0AWell, I don't chime in, usually.=A0 However, enough is enough.=A0 =
There are many merits to both *BSD and Linux.=A0 I don't agree with benchma=
rks that slant either way, as I'm sure people in both camps will agree.=A0 =
Please be adult and just agree to disagree.=A0 Technology applicable to the=
 problem at hand is the only useful thing that we should all agree on.=A0 P=
ersonally, I don't care if it's BSD, a Linux-variant or even Windoze if it =
solves the problem.=A0 So, if you would all look at all the time spent vent=
ing on this idiocy as time that could have been spent coding, debugging, et=
c, think how much time was wasted from people just reading these e-mails.=
=A0 (Yes, I do and this was an absolute waste of my time.)=A0 So, if the co=
mmunication on the thread was nearly as much going to development and findi=
ng issues or the causes of the issues, maybe a scheduler problem would be t=
racked down, maybe a benchmark issue would be tracked down.=A0 Maybe people=
 will stop
 using RC's versus releases, I don't know.=A0 I really don't care.=A0 Just =
please stop with finger pointing and being disgruntled and indignant.=A0 FO=
CUS!!=0A=0AI'd love to say something like "Can't we all just get along" but=
 we are just so polar in our beliefs, I don't see it happening.=A0 Just dro=
p it.=A0 If you have something constructive to say, spin off this thread an=
d let the primary thread just die.=A0 (It should have a week ago.)=A0 Solve=
 the benchmarking issue, solve the scheduler issue, just focus.=0A=0APaul P=
.=0ACTO/Owner =0A=0AAtlantis Services=0A=0A"Civilized Computing"=0A=0A=0A__=
______________________________=0A From: O. Hartmann <ohartman@mail.zedat.fu=
-berlin.de>=0ATo: Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> =0ACc: Martin Sugioarto=
 <martin@sugioarto.com>; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Igor Mozolevsky <igor=
@hybrid-lab.co.uk>; freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG; O. Hartmann <ohartman@=
zedat.fu-berlin.de>; Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG =0ASent: Saturday, December 24, 201=
1 9:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle L=
inux 6.1 Server=0A =0AOn 12/23/11 12:38, Daniel Kalchev wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A=
> On 23.12.11 12:48, O. Hartmann wrote:=0A>> Look at Steve Kargls problem. =
He investigated a SCHED_ULE problem in a=0A>> way that is far beyond enough=
! He gave tests, insights of his setup,=0A>> bad performance compared to SC=
HED_4BSD and what happend? We are still=0A>> stuck with this problem and mo=
re and more people realise, that FreeBSD=0A>> does have somewhere a problem=
 and this seems to be a nasty problem not=0A>> easy to find or investigate.=
=0A> =0A> This has made me to realize, that I was having a problem with SCH=
ED_ULE=0A> that I was not aware of until now. WOW! :)=0A> =0A> Every schedu=
ler has some problem, some fail here some fail there. I am=0A> confident, t=
hat the case that Steve Kargls has reported will be resolved.=0A> =0A>> Ano=
ther problem is this very elite-feeling closed club. Once you=0A>> managed =
it getting into the club of committers or core team members,=0A>> you'll pr=
obably fight for your seat ... I dont propose for that=0A>> socialists crap=
 Linux people tend to be like,=0A> [..]=0A> =0A> You never heard of the "Pe=
ople's Republic of Berkeley"? :)=0A> =0A> As for commiter access, this sort=
 of comments trigger the system=0A> administrator in me. I have seen enough=
 people, who for the lack of=0A> other excuses always use "but I don't have=
 enough RIGHTS!". I am evil, I=0A> know....=0A> =0A>> But I follow the illu=
sion that if people can see what benchmarks=0A>> reveal, they start thinkin=
g and if the facts are starting to give a=0A>> heavy load load on those rej=
ecting the facts, they migght change their=0A>> opinion or get hopefully re=
placed by more openminded people.=0A> =0A> Here is now it works:=0A> =0A> I=
f you see an problem and have a solution: go fix it. Many will be=0A> grate=
ful.=0A> If you can't fix it, but have an idea how to fix it, share it. May=
 will=0A> be grateful.=0A> If you can't fix it and don't have any idea, jus=
t say "there is a=0A> problem" and stop there. There are many, many, many l=
ike you who just=0A> hold their breath.=0A> =0A> We all learn, every day.=
=0A> =0A> Daniel=0A=0ASorry, but your crap is simply breathtaking.=0A=0Aoh



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