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Date:      Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:00:11 -0500
From:      "Jacques A. Vidrine" <nectar@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Christopher Schulte <schulte+freebsd@nospam.schulte.org>, security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip
Message-ID:  <20020418180011.GB24952@madman.nectar.cc>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020418114304.00dccf00@nospam.lariat.org>
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 11:49:24AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
> How does one know that there isn't a system-crashing bug in some other
> part of the tree for the same date? What's needed is not just the
> snapshot that happened to be available that day (or today) but one
> that's known to be reasonably stable. Remember, a snapshot of -STABLE 
> taken on a random day is not guaranteed even to boot!

I thought we were talking about the security branch.  CVSup to
RELENG_4_5 when and advisory comes out, and you are good to go.  That
is what 4.5-RELEASE-p3 is, right now, by the way: RELENG_4_5 as of the
latest advisory.

> Not true at all. What administrators using FreeBSD need is not
> "hand-holding" but a way to upgrade to a known good snapshot.
> Not necessarily the absolute latest, but one with the needed
> patches which others have seen to work.

That is what RELENG_4_? is for.
 
> I'm a developer myself, and therefore understand the value of testing.
> It should be possible to get a snapshot ("patch level N," or whatever)
> which one knows that others have tried and have found to work. As an
> administrator, you should want this too.

There is.  What's the problem?
-- 
Jacques A. Vidrine <n@nectar.cc>                 http://www.nectar.cc/
NTT/Verio SME          .     FreeBSD UNIX     .       Heimdal Kerberos
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