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Date:      Fri, 01 Dec 2017 11:44:31 +0100
From:      "Kristof Provost" <kp@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "Mike Remski" <mremski@comcast.net>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Dieter BSD" <dieterbsd@gmail.com>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Getting PRs fixed [ was: Re: The future of fortune(6) ]
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On 1 Dec 2017, at 11:24, Mike Remski wrote:
> Bug databases need to be scrubbbed periodically.  Even if it's just to 
> close ones that can't be reproduced or have been fixed by other 
> changes (after due diligence in verifying it so there is no absurd 
> excuse).
>
> There are a lot of foks with the ability and desire to help, fixing 
> PRs and sending in patches should be a good way to involved, but that 
> still depends on the owner of a piece to look at a patch, ask 
> questions, get revisions and commit it.  If that never happens or the 
> submitter never gets any feedback, it winds up discouraging the new 
> people.
>
> Fixing bugs, espeically on !CURRENT, is not glamorous, but necessary.  
> Often actually root causing the bug and patching it gives one a better 
> understanding of the overall system and a sense of satisfaction.
>
> Yes, I realize that everyone is a volunteer and has a real life, but 
> at least acknowledging a submission should be done, even if it is 
> automated.  This goes both ways:  originator of a bug (or patch) needs 
> to be responsive to the FreeBSD committer if they request more data or 
> clarification.
>
Good bug reports are enormously valuable. A bug report with a clear 
reproduction scenario is vastly more likely to get fixed (quickly).
My own experience is that usually I spend more time on trying to 
reproduce the problem than actually fixing it. Sometimes by orders of 
magnitude.

Patches are fantastic, but a bug report with a simple reproduction 
scenario is often just as good (and sometimes even better).

Regards,
Kristof



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