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Date:      Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:25:13 -0800
From:      Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>
To:        Ron McDowell <rcm@fuzzwad.org>
Cc:        Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool
Message-ID:  <E90CC69E-BA59-4C41-A535-64B8674ACC0C@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <4EF953ED.9060905@fuzzwad.org>
References:  <4EF904F2.4020109@FreeBSD.org> <4EF953ED.9060905@fuzzwad.org>

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On Dec 26, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Ron McDowell wrote:

> Doug Barton wrote:
>> The story so far ...
>>=20
>> sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected =
on
>> the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the =
post-install
>> configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components
>> were then removed. Then the old version of libdialog (which =
sysinstall
>> used) was removed. Thus at this point it's not possible to easily
>> restore sysinstall.
>>=20
>> So my question is, how much do you care? Is lack of that =
functionality
>> in HEAD something that we care about?=20
>=20
> We have around 90 web servers running 8.2p5 right now [and yes, I did =
update the lot on Christmas Eve but that's a different story] and they =
will not be upgraded to 9.0 until/unless the post-install functionality =
that was lost by the removal of sysinstall is reintegrated in some way.  =
I also complained about it and was told in effect, "too bad."  Everyone =
who commented said sysinstall caused more problems than it solved, =
although I've been using it for any system changes I needed that it was =
capable of doing for as long back as I can remember, and my first =
FreeBSD box was v2.2.
>=20
> I think removing any functionality that was in a previous release =
without providing an equal-or-better alternative is a bad idea, and that =
needs to be considered more carefully in the future.
>=20
> So this is not just a +1 vote, it's a +90.

I hate to steal Devin's thunder, but=85

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-rc/2010-October/002077.html

It's been around for a while and does many of the things needed by the =
sysinstall 'post-install' replacement (minus having a registry of =
commands vs services to pick from to configure with a slightly more =
humanized interface *and it's written almost purely with shell logic and =
built-ins, plus is widely tested and adopted in other BSD distros!*.

Most of the other stuff is trivial (configuring an interface, a package =
installer/configuration tool, etc), and if someone actually said "hey -- =
I'll help you get it done!" then yes I'd do it, maintain it, and cherish =
it. Offer is on the table for a committer who really wants this task =
done.

Thanks,
-Garrett=



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