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Date:      Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:55:36 -0600
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>
Cc:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>, Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!
Message-ID:  <19991211125536.L760@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19991210180948.7359C1CA0@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Sat, Dec 11, 1999 at 02:09:48AM %2B0800
References:  <phk@critter.freebsd.dk> <19991210180948.7359C1CA0@overcee.netplex.com.au>

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On Saturday, 11 December 1999 at  2:09:48 +0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> In message <199912101752.KAA19725@mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes:
>>>> In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs
>>>> i386 architecture.
>>>
>>> Given that the ATA driver just went active a few minutes ago, I think a
>>> period of shakeout time would be called for.  I think that time should
>>> be longer than a few days, and should be in 4.0, and then retired in
>>> 4.1.
>>
>> The ata driver has been available for you and other to test for a long
>> time.  4.0-REL is still some time away, so if you are quick you can
>> still give it a good shakeout and have any bugs you find fixed before
>> 4.0-RELEASE.
>
> Also, I'd like to reiterate something again..  Not running as fast as
> possible is *not* a showstopper.  If a device runs in generic PIO or WDMA
> mode instead of udma mode, it's *not* the end of the earth.  People in that
> scenario won't be stranded.

I think a 90% performance hit is a bug in most people's books.  From
what I've seen, that's a conservative estimate.

> What is a killer is if a large number of people on popular hardware
> can't even boot, *at all*, in no, way, shape or form.  Only that.
> The only way to find that out for sure before 4.0 is to push the
> issue *now*.

Agreed.  I'm not saying "don't make it the default", I'm saying "leave
an escape path".

Greg
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