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Date:      19 Jun 2000 08:42:21 -0400
From:      Lowell Gilbert <lowell@world.std.com>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Desperate : make buildworld NEVER works!!!!!
Message-ID:  <rd67lblkfki.fsf@world.std.com>
In-Reply-To: "Kevin Oberman"'s message of Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:31:56 -0700
References:  <200006190031.e5J0Vun21038@ptavv.es.net>

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"Kevin Oberman" <oberman@es.net> writes:

> It seems odd that we have had at least a half dozen reports of signal
> 11s during buildworld over the past 3 days. I have the same problem
> with my K6-2 system. The hardware has been rock solid for months, but
> I now can't buildworld without a "signal 11" exactly as has been
> reported here. Very suspicious, at least.

Well, some of those cases were the known (and documented -- and, for
that matter, fixed) bugs in 3.4-R's install procedure.  When you
discount those, I don't think we've seen an unusual number of such
reports.  If the segv's were occuring in the same place, that could
indicate a problem with FreeBSD itself, but if they occur in different
places on each run through a buildworld, you have pretty conclusive
proof that it's a question of flaky hardware.

A lot of FreeBSD installs are on cheap hardware.  In fact, it's hard
to buy PC-class hardware that qualifies as dependable by traditional
server standards.  So we're stuck with a pretty high rate of reports
of hardware problems.  It's one thing for my Windows game box to be
tolerant of memory problems, but I don't *want* my FreeBSD machines to
do the same. 

Be well.
        Lowell Gilbert


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