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Date:      Thu, 3 May 2001 16:32:02 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Joseph Mallett <jmallett@newgold.net>
To:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
Cc:        <jessemonroy@email.com>, <jessem@livecam.com>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: [jkh@osd.bsdi.com: ANNOUNCE: Status update on ftp.freebsd.org A   KA ftp.freesoftware.com]
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSO.4.33.0105031630480.7377-100000@aphex.newgold.net>
In-Reply-To: <20010503112139V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>

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On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> From: jessem@livecam.com
> Subject: Re: [jkh@osd.bsdi.com: ANNOUNCE: Status update on ftp.freebsd.org A   KA ftp.freesoftware.com]
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > At your request, I have moved this to hackers.
>
> You mean chat.  Thank you.
>
> > Per your insistance, that this has nothing to do with hackers, is
> > in my opinion Bull.
>
> Your opinion doesn't count for much in this case since it's clearly
> not a -hackers issue.  The freebsd-hackers mailing list, as is again
> clearly outlined in the charter I pointed you to, is for technical
> discussion.  I simply cannot see how anyone with a reasonable command
> of english could read into that a mandate for discussing the FTP site.
> There's even a mailing list purely devoted to discussing that
> infrastructure and it's called hubs@freebsd.org.
>
> > The pettyness that is rising *is* solely on your part. I have no
> > agenda here other than that *that is good* for BSD and the businesses
> > and jobs around BSD.
>
> What you evidently see as pettyness is my simply trying to keep the
> mailing lists sane and comparatively focused on things other than
> flamebait.
>
> You seem equally adept at generating flamebait and then attempting to
> pass it off under the guise of "supporting the community" or "doing
> what's good for BSD" and when people come back and call a spade a
> spade, you evade the issue entirely by suggesting that identifying
> flamebait as such constitutes a fear of your opinions or some other
> such rubbish.  Sorry, I don't buy it.
>
> > I urge you to stop the rhetoric NOW. I urge you to respond, as
> > we would expect a BSDer to respond when dealing with issues
> > of a professional nature.
>
> I have already responded, in just over 5000 words, to freebsd-announce
> as a BSDer.  The fact that you then chose to regard that as a cover-up
> for some reason is your own doing and not something I can even
> genuinely respond to since I think the only response which would
> satisfy you at this point would be something to the effect of:
>
> OK Jesus, you're right, you caught us.  This has all been a highly
> orchestrated plot between Wind River and Microsoft, who are secretly
> in collusion and actually the same company, to wipe out a promising
> young operating system effort and acquire its developers for pennies
> on the dollar.  They figured that after they got us all turned out on
> the streets and forced to sell our bodies and various internal organs
> for food, they could acquire us cheap and get us to sign the waiver
> form that allows the Visual Basic brain implants.  Then we'd simply
> turn into Borg-like zombies who wrote Visual Basic all day long
> without complaint and nothing other than an occasionally mumbled
> "ActiveX controls are good!" escaping from our lips.
>
> Ah Jesus, I quail before your mighty insight!

Well put. VERY well put. Will you be my deity?

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