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Date:      Sat, 01 Jun 2019 09:19:37 -0600
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
To:        Andriy Gapon <avg@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r344648 - in head: . sys/kern sys/sys
Message-ID:  <fce41b8cc15c17082bf08ed2cc5a9f46a0213e4c.camel@freebsd.org>
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On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 11:02 +0300, Andriy Gapon wrote:
> On 01/06/2019 03:46, Warner Losh wrote:
> > When we move to git, stuff like this just won't matter. So it's
> > hard to get
> > worked up about it now... and even if we weren't heading that way,
> > the history
> > preserved is so small as to say more than "meh" here. There is too
> > little ROI to
> > get worked up about.
> 
> Still, even a token reply would have been nice.  Much better than
> starting to
> ignore *everything* that a fellow developer writes.
> "Yeah, looks like I screwed up.  But fixing it is more work than it's
> worth.
> Sorry about that.  Thanks."
> 

The point is, a few people in the project have proven themselves to be
noise generators with annoying whinging and nagging about tiny
insigificant issues.  That earns them a mail rule that simply discards
all incoming mail from them.  So, unsurprisingly: no reply.

There are 3 project memembers I've written such rules for, although two
of those rules are currently disabled (but I didn't delete them because
I have a feeling I'm going to use them again some day).

-- Ian

> > On Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:56 PM Kevin Bowling <
> > kevin.bowling@kev009.com
> > <mailto:kevin.bowling@kev009.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >     The vast majority of contributors don't enjoy nit-picking on
> > these
> >     trivialities. If the broader developer community is not
> > rallying for
> >     the revert and some core conspiracy doesn't care about it
> > either, that
> >     forms the de facto opinion of the FreeBSD community of today
> > that this
> >     is trivial and irrelevant.
> > 
> >     Yes, there is vocal absolutism on the fringes about SHALLS and
> > MUSTS
> >     about all sorts of things aside from modernizing FreeBSD and
> > making it
> >     viable on current generation hardware.  These parties might be
> > happier
> >     and better aligned with OpenBSD ideologically as well as
> >     personalities.
> > 
> >     Regards,
> >     Kevin
> > 
> >     On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:17 PM Rodney W. Grimes
> >     <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net <mailto:freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>>
> > wrote:
> >     >
> >     > > I know of several people that have blocked your mail. 
> > Maybe a moment
> >     > > for reflection on your attitude and approach if you want to
> > be taken
> >     > > seriously.
> >     >
> >     > I would consider repository damange and abuse to be VERY
> > serious.
> >     > I would also consider the treatmeant I am seeing of danfe
> > boarder
> >     > line on contempt.
> >     > But then I also know there are probably some that have
> > blocked me.
> >     > The project, sadly is spiraling around a toilet, and someone
> > is about to
> >     flush....
> >     >
> >     > It is not what you hear, it is what you are not hearing that
> > makes me say
> >     these things...
> >     > And espcially what core seams to not be willing to hear, and
> > is literly (I
> >     can proove this)
> >     > paying lip service to "solicited feedback".
> >     >
> >     > I asked about some of my solicited feedback, and a core
> > member said he
> >     > could not find it in his inbox and that I needed to locate
> > and provide
> >     > him a pointer to it.  THAT my friends is not solicited
> > feedback, that is
> >     > /dev/null of feedback and just plain out right unexcusable.
> >     >
> >     > And note above all else the "product" of the FreeBSD project
> > is NOT
> >     > releases, it IS the repository, and if we get sloppy with
> > that product
> >     > it makes life harder for our consumers.  If you have ever
> > tried to
> >     > find the history of a deleted object (which is what the
> > process being
> >     > complained about here creaetes) it is a royal PITA.
> >     >
> >     > Regards,
> >     > Rod
> >     >
> >     > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 8:50 AM Alexey Dokuchaev <
> > danfe@freebsd.org
> >     <mailto:danfe@freebsd.org>> wrote:
> >     > > >
> >     > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 03:20:50PM +0000, Brooks Davis
> > wrote:
> >     > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 09:11:36AM +0000, Alexey
> > Dokuchaev wrote:
> >     > > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 03:11:40PM +0000, Alexey
> > Dokuchaev wrote:
> >     > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 07:47:51AM +0000, Alexey
> > Dokuchaev wrote:
> >     > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:56:55PM +0000, Mateusz
> > Guzik wrote:
> >     > > > > > > > > New Revision: 344648
> >     > > > > > > > > URL: 
> > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/344648
> >     > > > > > > > >
> >     > > > > > > > > Log:
> >     > > > > > > > >   Rename seq to seqc to avoid namespace clashes
> > with Linux
> >     > > > > > > > >
> >     > > > > > > > > ...
> >     > > > > > > > > Added:
> >     > > > > > > > >   head/sys/sys/seqc.h   (contents, props
> > changed)
> >     > > > > > > > > Deleted:
> >     > > > > > > > >   head/sys/sys/seq.h
> >     > > > > > > >
> >     > > > > > > > Why it was deleted and added as new file instead
> > of being
> >     repocopied?
> >     > > > > > >
> >     > > > > > > Retransmit.
> >     > > > > >
> >     > > > > > Ping!
> >     > > > >
> >     > > > > Do you have nothing better to do?
> >     > > >
> >     > > > Oh, I have a lot on my plate, thanks for asking.  Now,
> > back to the
> >     subject:
> >     > > >
> >     > > > - I think that this commit was executed badly (not via
> > repocopy)
> >     > > > - I've been trying to contact mjg@ for several weeks, to
> > no avail :(
> >     > > > - All I get in return is an email from a fellow committer
> > asking me
> >     > > >   if I have anything better to do
> >     > > >
> >     > > > Sorry, I don't understand this.  I don't understand why
> > we ignore email
> >     > > > from our own community.  I don't understand why we do not
> > correct or at
> >     > > > least explain why what looks like a mistake is actually
> > not(?).  I don't
> >     > > > understand why I'm being ridiculed, not those who make
> > dubious commits
> >     > > > and fail to defend them.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > ./danfe
> >     > > > _______________________________________________
> >     > > > svn-src-head@freebsd.org <mailto:svn-src-head@freebsd.org
> > > mailing list
> >     > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head
> >     > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> > svn-src-head-unsubscribe@freebsd.org
> >     <mailto:svn-src-head-unsubscribe@freebsd.org>"
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > Rod Grimes                                               
> >      rgrimes@freebsd.org <mailto:rgrimes@freebsd.org>
> > 
> 
> 




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