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Date:      Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:09:30 -0800
From:      Garrett Cooper <yanefbsd@gmail.com>
To:        Andrew Reilly <andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org>
Cc:        usb@freebsd.org, astrodog@gmail.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, mmakonnen@gmail.com, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Subject:   Re: The rc.d mess strikes back
Message-ID:  <7d6fde3d0903040009y1b9d009chbacab05180630572@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home>
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On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Andrew Reilly
<andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 01:25:22PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote:
>> In message: <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.com>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Astrodog <astrodog@gmail.com> writes:
>> : As unfortunate (and annoying) as that delay was, your system was in a
>> : "defined" state, at the end of rc.d. As things stand now, that doesn't
>> : appear to be the case anymore, and I think that may be a more
>> : significant issue than the delay.
>>
>> I'd be happy with synchronous dhcp.
>
> The more general problem is the (large) number of network
> applications that assume that network addresses and routes never
> change (because that's how things were when they were written.)
> My personal pet peeve is ntpd, but there are many others. =A0Any
> daemon that caches host IP address information at startup is
> (IMO) broken, and needs to be fixed. =A0There are many reasons why
> network addresses may change *after* startup, and it is not
> reasonable to go around and manually HUP everything when that
> happens.
>
> Needing synchronous DHCP as a work-around here is just the
> signifier of the problem: it isn't the over-all solution.

I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you. This could be more
difficult with contributed software, but it can be done!
Thanks =3D],
-Garrett



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