Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:09:30 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <yanefbsd@gmail.com> To: Andrew Reilly <andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org> Cc: usb@freebsd.org, astrodog@gmail.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, mmakonnen@gmail.com, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: The rc.d mess strikes back Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0903040009y1b9d009chbacab05180630572@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home> References: <2E9BD549-EF77-4F48-AB7E-C93AFC4BE387@gmail.com> <49ABCECE.1040102@gmail.com> <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.com> <20090302.132522.-432836388.imp@bsdimp.com> <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home>
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On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Andrew Reilly <andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 01:25:22PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: >> In message: <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.com> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Astrodog <astrodog@gmail.com> writes: >> : As unfortunate (and annoying) as that delay was, your system was in a >> : "defined" state, at the end of rc.d. As things stand now, that doesn't >> : appear to be the case anymore, and I think that may be a more >> : significant issue than the delay. >> >> I'd be happy with synchronous dhcp. > > The more general problem is the (large) number of network > applications that assume that network addresses and routes never > change (because that's how things were when they were written.) > My personal pet peeve is ntpd, but there are many others. =A0Any > daemon that caches host IP address information at startup is > (IMO) broken, and needs to be fixed. =A0There are many reasons why > network addresses may change *after* startup, and it is not > reasonable to go around and manually HUP everything when that > happens. > > Needing synchronous DHCP as a work-around here is just the > signifier of the problem: it isn't the over-all solution. I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you. This could be more difficult with contributed software, but it can be done! Thanks =3D], -Garrett
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