Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 03:34:59 +0000 From: tech-lists <tech-lists@zyxst.net> To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed Message-ID: <YX4O48pch4cvbRCF@ceres.zyxst.net> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfr_WsHbbeY6FyKxFdx7dOaFEhk%2BiJLYQ6F4rLOUuf-zRQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANCZdfr_WsHbbeY6FyKxFdx7dOaFEhk%2BiJLYQ6F4rLOUuf-zRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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--pBLyJKq5Pl2TceHt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 09:37:03AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >Greetings, > >Given that the number of available and useful armv6 boards has fallen to >almost zero, the time has come to look hard at armv6. I'm still using freebsd with armv6. It's [rpib+] presently a console server= to the router, connected via a ttl cable. As to useful, it's useful to me ;) b= ut=20 i'd imagine theres still lots of uses for armv6 boards, particularly in a l= ow-power=20 or battery-operated situation. The hardware is durable. They can still be b= ought=20 new, albeit on back order. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Series_and_generations they [rpib+] aren't discontinued >There's a number of options. > >1. Keep it as is. This will only happen if there's a lot more users than we >think (and we think there's nearly zero users of FreeBSD 13 and newer that >would want to run FreeBSD 14). How do you estimate the number of users? Millions of these (armv6) boards were sold. >2. Stop building packages. Given it's small to non-existent user base, it >makes no sense to provide a package building service for it. >2a. We should likely do this anyway for all stable branches since it's a >net negative in terms of cost/benefit analysis: lots of effort to produce, >very little use. Would it be easier to build a much limited number of packages? Stuff that's console-only? no xorg, browsers etc for -releng.=20 But I agree with 2a for -stable, for any arch.. >3. Disconnect it from universe: This will mean it will rot, though. It's a >necessary step in removal. > >4. Remove support for armv6 in base entirely. This will orphan any RPiB and >RPi0 users out there. However, the RPiB hasn't been sold in a few years, >and the RPI0's connectivity is severely lacking given no SDIO support. > >So, which of these steps do we do before FreeBSD 14 and which before >FreeBSD 15? >My vote would be to do 1-4 for 14 including 2a. mine would be for 2a only for -stable. I think you might be wrong with "very small number of users" though. If you do decide to go ahead with it, if arm6 users still want *BSD, on netbsd it's a tier1 arch. --=20 J. --pBLyJKq5Pl2TceHt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAmF+Ds4ACgkQs8o7QhFz NAVqZQ/9GF10QzOYJXYYFsVkDtD6nzlLvvChmDaXe/CNz7KGM5BHzLD87MVGfmXd xt9JZFpr892RDjX9r0gkUt0v3r3WFbjpGEFRWNkmujo5pm2CJYS5YsLvt1a6drwb Y4EUNZg9QsX6TnXN17HVx1RAocWudCcmfRHNvI/74CzFIVV2SAWFBB0LiY4nJG25 ScYlqREldXV1V9gVYkMFsKT4dCOM6rNGZt6FhHpPgcBwLHKbEL7raXJpGk7iz10M SXMhFS4Olcp1r2sfqYu7+pLaRvetD7JFnuZ07I4x/6IyCqCFhMBG2nfAKfsqJOE2 wTKrpj8ezlylZyy2WAlTrl5h41a5zw+ol3HN81nCyYqLeieS60f+wFHzpDdNpA/M GrdlYZmYlMr2Otp8O41lxaLItU6oPVaztRcWLSehKYTXsxM9hD0UI07WR+2bgqMU FEs9c12arJWiCgDnp5+iDBP+9QUdhwupDn2KcMNXK4mYLsvtPaqesLl7n+7SfbsB 0i1AhE3TLzEch6QTcQC81qHKuaY7d6lQ9F3KnOsS21PKVf28CYcGUb8pJ54Lf/mJ RbbzjngBRwKMVbKAkZRz48CYjZwq+G0MdY9+ovVPGhh3PEzn8K44kK014uVOgM2M UU3Nd2sEEAmyXA4rp1ERoQYA9UaiD7bkBf03GegrS3qN1klyEig= =5K1z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pBLyJKq5Pl2TceHt--
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