Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 15:18:59 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> Cc: Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>, "rgrimes@freebsd.org" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Sean Bruno <sbruno@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org> Subject: Deorbiting i386 (was: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share) Message-ID: <201805232218.w4NMIxMA067892@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: Message from Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> of "Wed, 23 May 2018 20:22:28 -0000." <20180523202228.GC58848@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>
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In message <20180523202228.GC58848@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>, Brooks Davis wr ites: > > > --QRj9sO5tAVLaXnSD > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 02:53:16AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > 24.05.2018 2:30, Cy Schubert wrote: > >=20 > > > Except for old computers and old software that segfaults on 64-bit, how= > many people still use i386? > > >=20 > > > Full disclosure: I'd like to see i386 deorbited before I retire. > >=20 > > Plese don't. I routinely use FreeBSD11/i386 for cheap VPS hosts having le= > ss than 2G memory > > because amd64 has noticeable overhead. I even have ZFS-only i386 VPS, her= > e is live example with 1G only: > >=20 > > Mem: 10M Active, 69M Inact, 230M Wired, 685M Free > > ARC: 75M Total, 1953K MFU, 31M MRU, 172K Anon, 592K Header, 42M Other > > 3500K Compressed, 29M Uncompressed, 8.61:1 Ratio > > Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free > >=20 > > The VPS has only 20G of disk space and ZFS compression gives > > compressratio 2.22x for ports, 2.51x for src, 2.29x for obj > > and 1.95x for installed i386 system plus other software and data. > > I think we're quite a ways from being ready to axe i386. > > For VPS applications, we should probably get x32 support in place which > should give us the best of both worlds. > > That said, we either need to rev the i386 ABI to use a 64-bit time_t or > kill it in the not to distant future or we risk embedded systems failing > in place in 2038. If we assume a 15 year life for most equipment to > fail electrically or mechanically that says FreeBSD 13 shouldn't support > the current i386 ABI. Rereading this, I'm confused. FreeBSD 13? 2023? Either works for me, though 2023 is more reasonable and gives people more than enough time to migrate. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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