Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:51:46 +0100 From: Timo Schoeler <timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> To: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no> Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community Message-ID: <20080112145146.6f196ede.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> In-Reply-To: <86y7av5fbt.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <86y7av5fbt.fsf@ds4.des.no>
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Thus Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav <des@des.no> spake on Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:44:06 +0100: > Oliver Fromme <olli@lurza.secnetix.de> writes: > > Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have > > several other patches that I maintain on my own for > > various reasons. For example I have a local patch set > > that enables "-c none" in ssh, so I can scp large files > > much faster between slow machines over channels that don't > > need encryption, and still be able to use ssh's features. > > I don't even try to submit the patch to the OpenSSH people, > > because they would reject it. >=20 > Correct. >=20 > > I considered submitting it as a local patch to the FreeBSD base, > > but I think it would be rejected too, reason: "please submit it > > upstream to the OpenSSH people". :-) >=20 > Incorrect. I have done this myself in the past, and IIRC it's almost > trivial. I don't recall why I didn't commit it. >=20 > > In the particular case that I mentioned, the maintainer > > of syscons was in the process of completely restructuring > > the code anyway, so any other patches had to wait. >=20 > Except he didn't really completely restructure it, he just broke it > in a different way than it was already broken. I was very > disappointed, but I didn't feel that I had sufficient seniority to > contradict him, nor sufficient experience to fix it properly. >=20 > > > > (I don't even think bsdforen.de is the largest German BSD > > > > community, but that's a different story). > > > Even in case it's the second biggest forum, it shouldn't be > > > ignored; > > I agree completely, it shouldn't be ignored. (Whether it's > > the first, second or third biggest forum doesn't matter at > > all; it can't be easily measured anyway.) >=20 > BSDForen.de is a native-language forum, and I suspect it suffers from > the same problems as other native-language fora: they become closed > communities with little or no contact with the parent community, and > over time they construct their own mythology of how that community > functions and acts. Sorry, but (especially in this case) that is nonsense as it's primarily an excuse and disparages the work done there. > I have seen this before - a complete disconnect between the reality of > the project and its perception by a native-language user group, > culminating in one case in a face to face "crisis meeting" between > members of that community and FreeBSD developers, and in another in a > flame war over an "open letter" from that user group to the > developers. Interestingly, both cases involved German-language > communities. >=20 > I also dimly recall a similar situation with the Japanese FreeBSD > community, which resulted in Warner learning Japanese in an effort to > bridge the divide. I was very amused when he started copying some of > the idiosyncracies of the Japanese community :) >=20 > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no
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