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Date:      Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:39:47 +1300
From:      "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
To:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
Cc:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, "Victor R. Cardona" <vcardona@home.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Stallman stalls again
Message-ID:  <200103062039.f26KdlI55357@ns1.unixathome.org>
In-Reply-To: <15013.18818.990246.193990@guru.mired.org>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20010306131533.046dfc60@localhost>

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Before this goes much further, might I suggest that a new thread be 
started instead of continuing it under this one.   

On 6 Mar 2001, at 14:33, Mike Meyer wrote:

> Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> types:
> > At 12:56 PM 3/6/2001, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > >> I cannot understand why you are attacking me for doing so. The 
> > >> only motivations I can imagine are (a) that you share Stallman's
> > >> spite and hatred; (b) that you've been taken in by the propaganda he
> > >> has spread to further his agenda; or (c) you think you have something
> > >> to gain within the social group of this mailing list by attacking me.
> > >Resorting to mud-slinging just weakens your argument. 
> > 
> > I'm not resorting to anything of the sort. Read the above again,
> > and you'll see that I am, rather, asking Mr. Siddharthan why HE 
> > is mudslinging.
> 
> I don't see a single question in the statement you quoted. Instead, I
> see you accusing Mr. Siddharthan of spite and hate, being gullible,
> simply being malicious, or possibly some combination of the three. All of
> those are insulting, and constitute mud-slinging. You do imply the question
> by suggesting reasons, but it would have been more seemly to simply *ask*,
> rather than throw up a barrage of insulting suggestions.
> 
> You also quoted me out of context, as my original quoted you saying:
> 
> > > Also untrue. I don't "hate" Richard Stallman, though I do believe
> > > that what he is doing is unethical. It is Stallman who is filled
> > > with hatred -- the result of the trauma documented so well in
> > > Steven Levy's book "Hackers" and in Stallman's own writings --
> > > and is causing much harm. I'm speaking out against that hatred
> > > and malice. 
> 
> Ethics - or lack thereof - are a mudslingers favorite target.  Saying that
> someone is acting out of hatred and malice in an era when hate crimes draw
> special punishments is mud-slinging of the vilest sort. That your arguments
> against Mr. Stallman's position seem to inevitably lead to this kind of
> personal attack on him may well have something to do with *why* people
> accuse you of hating him. 


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