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Date:      Wed, 23 May 2018 12:30:26 -0700
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
To:        Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>,  "rgrimes@freebsd.org" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>,  Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>
Cc:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Sean Bruno <sbruno@freebsd.org>,  "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>,  "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>,  "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share
Message-ID:  <20180523193027.825583BC@spqr.komquats.com>

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Except for old computers and old software that segfaults on 64-bit, how man=
y people still use i386?

Full disclosure: I'd like to see i386 deorbited before I retire.

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Cy Schubert
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The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Esser
Sent: 23/05/2018 11:44
To: rgrimes@freebsd.org; Mark Linimon
Cc: Gleb Smirnoff; Sean Bruno; svn-src-head@freebsd.org; svn-src-all@freebs=
d.org; src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/de=
v/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools=
/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share

Am 23.05.18 um 20:14 schrieb Rodney W. Grimes:
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
>>> If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the ker=
nel,
>>> can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the =
kernel?
>>
>> Depends on how many existing users we want to screw over.  Not everyone
>> replaces all their hardware every 2 years, folks.
>=20
> And some of us buy 2 year old hardware because it is cheap,
> and serves our needs just fine.   Even 8 year old servers
> make usable machines today.
>=20
>> The difference is that the Exar chips failed in the marketplace; very
>> few seem to have made it out into the wild.
>>
>> Given, 10Mbit-only things are way past their sell-by date.
>=20
> Do we even have any 10Mbit only drivers?  I think that all the
> 10mbit drivers also support 100mbit devices, but maybe there
> are some odd cases I cant remeber.

AFAIK and FWIW:

ed(4), le(4) on amd64 and on i386 (ISA and PCI)
ex(4), ep(4) on i386 (ISA and PCcard)

Regards, STefan




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