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Date:      Thu, 5 Mar 2015 13:49:59 +0100
From:      Edward Tomasz =?utf-8?Q?Napiera=C5=82a?= <trasz@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh
Message-ID:  <20150305124959.GF10733@brick.home>
In-Reply-To: <20150305125501.GP17947@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305122359.GM17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123016.GO48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123053.GN17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123349.GP48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123548.GO17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305124037.GR48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305125501.GP17947@FreeBSD.org>

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On 0305T1555, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:40:37PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> S> > nc(1), which is a pure socket testing tool. For telnet(1) this
> S> > capability is a side effect.
> S> 
> S> You don't try this in practice.
> S> % nc zxy.spb.ru 81
> S> %
> S> % telnet zxy.spb.ru 81
> S> Trying 195.70.199.98...
> S> telnet: connect to address 195.70.199.98: Connection refused
> S> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
> S> 
> S> nc is not usable. 
> 
> Yes, this how unix way works. Command has return value, or
> you can use '-v', of you want it to be chatty.

Actually, not giving error message on error by default seems quite
broken to me.  Standard UNIX utilities don't fail silently:

% cat /bin/nope
cat: /bin/nope: No such file or directory




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