Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:29:15 -0500 From: David Leimbach <leimy2k@mac.com> To: attila! <attila@hun.org> Cc: CURRENT <current@FreeBSD.ORG>, Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 as a desktop 'failure' report Message-ID: <E105AAFB-C9DC-11D6-BF49-0003931D0252@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <20020917012217.ijdM73487@hun.org>
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Thanks for your opinion. I like windowmaker and blackbox too. Some people like different things... some people have different needs. twm is functional when nothing else is available... hey sometimes I don't even use X :). Dave On Monday, September 16, 2002, at 08:22 PM, attila! wrote: > OK, I know this dates me, but I started with 'twm' as a > window manager in 1983 when X was on V10 --on a prototype > DEC GTX box with a 20" 24bit color monitor. Didn't have a > lot of graphics other than what I wrote using Athena > widgets. > > First, I still use 'twm' with a dual line 16 wide icon bar > using 40 pixels across the bottom of the screen. I don't > need pictures, the words are just fine and I don't have > icons all over the screen. A picture is not worth a > thousand words. > > Second, I have been continuously tracking -CURRENT since > before it cut to 3.0-CURRENT --on my desktop. Sure, there > have been a couple anxious moments, but I only needed the > fixit disk once in all those years. My server also runs > -CURRENT. > > Third, I run at least two full X sessions depending on how > many projects I'm playing with at a time and swap whenever > on a 1600 x 1280 screen. Lots of Xemacs, Netscape and some > GIMP and SOffice --the only thing which crashes is > Netscape and that's almost invariably due to crap code > from WinSleaze ASP generators. > > Use the KISS principle; if you need it to look like > Windows, run Windows and put up with their viri and > crashes. Anything Microsoft has been banned here since > before there even was a Microsoft product. > > Hard-nosed? Not really, just committed. My five kids > learned on BSD. > > Even government "retrainables" can be converted if KISS is > followed (been there, done that). > > -- > I don't need your attitude. I have one of my own. > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > Sent: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:09:52 -0500 by leimy2k@mac.com > > + On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 07:40 PM, Andrew P. Lentvorski > + wrote: > + > + > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > + > > + >> But we need a window manager- let's build gnome2! That worked- > but, > + >> haha, gnome2 refused to run because it failed to be able to do NFS > + >> locking on my NFS mounted (on a Solaris 8 server) home directory. > Oh, > + >> well that's really not going to cut it now, is it.... Oh, well, > let's > + >> live with plain sawfish until we sort this one out... > + > > + > Please report this to the Gnome folks. Given the state of NFS > + > filelocking > + > on *any* open source system (they are all broken in various > ways-this > + > includes Linux and *BSD), requiring fully working NFS file locking > on a > + > widespread windowing system is not a good idea. > + > > + > + Yes, the only successful NFS file locking I have ever seen on linux > is > + on NFS v3 > + and it must be mounted with the "noac" [no attribute caching] option. > + > + I am sure that option degrades performance pretty badly. > + > + Give it a shot... see if it works > + > + > + > In addition, I would bet that they'll probably point you to some > + > command-line flag which disables that file locking. > + > > + > -a > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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