Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:33:37 -0600 From: "Tom Connolly" <tomc@cqg.com> To: "'Giorgos Keramidas'" <keramida@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: topposting (was: colourization in ls command) Message-ID: <00aa01c4b2ed$de40d2c0$9a11a8c0@d3stomc> In-Reply-To: <20041015192444.GB819@gothmog.gr>
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-10-15 09:35, Tom Connolly <tomc@cqg.com> wrote: >> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>> On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 at 17:09:29 -0600, Tom Connolly wrote: >>>> There is a nice little tool for Outlook users, [...] >>>> >>>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ >>> >>> We've seen the results of this tool in the recent past. They >>> weren't convincing. >>> >>> Are you aware that your message was formatted with long/short lines? >> >> Looks ok to me. > > Sorry but no; Greg is right. Your post *did* exhibit the long/short > line bug of Outlook. > > That's the problem with most of the email that Outlook sends, isn't > it? It looks ok to the poster but not to the reader. Long/short > lines that Greg referred to is a common symptom of Outlook-formatted > (or, to be more precise, `unformatted', if I am excused for the pun) > messages. > > You, as the poster write a paragraph that seems perfectly fine when > wrapper in your preview window in Outlook, but eventually the reader > of your post has to make sense out of something like this: > > ----- Original message ----- > Sender: Firstname Lastname > Sent: Oct 15, 2004 > Subject: Useless repetition of the subject, which is only a > waste of bandwidth for people with a good, threading > mail user-agent > To: Person1; Person2; Person3 > Cc: Person4; Person5 > > > Some of the original text is included here, most of the time > everything the original > > poster has said is included verbatim, without any sort of > trimming > > and a funny wrapping style like this mess you > are reading now. > > I can't even begin to describe how many things are stupid about this > format of replying. The stripping of *real* email addresses, the > redundant and excessive inclusion of header information in the > attribution paragraph, the fact that the attribution *is* a > paragraph, the silly wrapping style, etc. are only a few of the evil > things this mailer does. Unfortunately, despite having discussed > this with Windows users many times and tested various tools, hacks > and add-ons with many of them, I still haven't found one that fixes > all the bugs in Outlook's formatting of mail messages; > ``outlook-quotefix'' is not an exception to this. > > What is very wrong about the wrapping style of Outlook (or the lack of > one) is that Outlook users might never become aware of it. Just like > you didn't know about it until Greg pointed it out ;-) > > Giorgos That's all true but at least it solves the topposting problem which is what most People seemed to be complaining about. :) Tom
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